Arnold Clark interest rate - is it right?

Kryptonite
Kryptonite Posts: 6 Forumite
edited 19 December 2013 at 6:15PM in Loans
I bought a used VW Golf from Arnold Clark last year (part finance) and looking back at the paperwork now I am confused about the interest rate and how they arrived at the APR.

I hope someone can help me work out whether I'm being swindled or not.

Here is the agreement doc that AC gave me:

Cash price including VAT: £14493
Advance payment: £10000
Amount of credit: £4493
Total charge for credit comprises: £892.13
Interest: £606.76
Credit Facility Fee: £0
Administration Fee: £285.37
Total Amount Payable: £15385.13

Duration of Agreement: 36 months

Rate of interest on credit: 4.5%
APR: 12.2%

1 payment of £141.66, (which includes the Credit Facility Fee), payable one month after the date of this agreement, followed by
34 payments each of £141.66 payable monthly thereafter, followed by
1 payment of £427.03 (which includes the Administration Fee) payable 36 months after the date of this agreement.


I have spent the afternoon playing around with the numbers and I can't see how they have got 12.2% APR from the 4.5% .

I called the finance company (PSA) and the depressed sounding woman on the phone told me that the "Rate Of Interest On Credit" they were sent by Arnold Clark was 8.4% (translating to annual APR 12.2%) - again I can't get the numbers to work out using 8.4%.

So am I just being thick here, or are Arnold Clark being naughty?

Comments

  • molerat
    molerat Posts: 34,247 Forumite
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    edited 19 December 2013 at 6:26PM
    Flat rate interest on £4493 x 4.5% x 3years = £606.55.
    Putting the repayment figures into an APR calculator, loan £4493, 35 x £141.66 and 1 x 427.03 gives 12.3%.
    8.4% annual rate added monthly on the decreasing balance gives a monthly payment of around the £141.66.
  • Clive_Woody
    Clive_Woody Posts: 5,909 Forumite
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    Car dealers generally quote flat rate of interest as this sounds better, the APR is much higher.
    "We act as though comfort and luxury are the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about” – Albert Einstein
  • Kryptonite
    Kryptonite Posts: 6 Forumite
    edited 19 December 2013 at 6:30PM
    Ah. I thought the interest was 4.5% per MONTH because I pay every month...

    Which APR calculator did you use? I used this one but I don't know what to put in under Extra Cost:

    efunda dot com/formulae/finance/apr_solver.cfm
    molerat wrote: »
    Flat rate interest on £4493 x 4.5% x 3years = £606.55.
    Putting the repayment figures into an APR calculator, loan £4493, 35 x £141.66 and 1 x 427.03 gives 12.3%.
    8.4% annual rate added monthly on the decreasing balance gives a monthly payment of £141.66.
  • DevCoder
    DevCoder Posts: 3,361 Forumite
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    Use
    http://money-saving-calculators.prudentminds.com/apr-calculator.html
    Loan Amount : 4493
    Monthly Repayment : 141.36
    Num Months : 35
    Final Charge : 427.03
  • Kryptonite
    Kryptonite Posts: 6 Forumite
    edited 19 December 2013 at 6:42PM
    Thanks pal.

    I think you meant Num months: 36, Extra Final Charge: 285.37. That comes to 12.2%.

    You shouldn't need to use a computer to work it out imho. Too complicated for the average pleb :/.
    krisdorey wrote: »

    Loan Amount : 4493
    Monthly Repayment : 141.36
    Num Months : 35
    Final Charge : 427.03
  • Kryptonite
    Kryptonite Posts: 6 Forumite
    edited 19 December 2013 at 6:49PM
    So does this mean that the 4.5% and 8.4% are both correct, from different angles?

    From speaking to PSA I was led to believe that these represented the same "Rate of Interest on Credit" which made me think that AC had sent PSA a different figure than they gave me.

    The woman I spoke to was beyond useless though so she may have been looking at the wrong value.
    molerat wrote: »
    8.4% annual rate added monthly on the decreasing balance gives a monthly payment of around the £141.66.
  • bigadaj
    bigadaj Posts: 11,531 Forumite
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    Back of a fag packet is that flat rate interest quoted by car dealers is around half the apr rate which sort of explains the 4.5% and 8.4%, the leap up to 12.2% is purely a function of getting a bit screwed on the administration fee as the administration fee equates to around a quarter of your total charge for credit.
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