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Arnold Clark interest rate - is it right?

Kryptonite
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I bought a used VW Golf from Arnold Clark last year (part finance) and looking back at the paperwork now I am confused about the interest rate and how they arrived at the APR.
I hope someone can help me work out whether I'm being swindled or not.
Here is the agreement doc that AC gave me:
Cash price including VAT: £14493
Advance payment: £10000
Amount of credit: £4493
Total charge for credit comprises: £892.13
Interest: £606.76
Credit Facility Fee: £0
Administration Fee: £285.37
Total Amount Payable: £15385.13
Duration of Agreement: 36 months
Rate of interest on credit: 4.5%
APR: 12.2%
1 payment of £141.66, (which includes the Credit Facility Fee), payable one month after the date of this agreement, followed by
34 payments each of £141.66 payable monthly thereafter, followed by
1 payment of £427.03 (which includes the Administration Fee) payable 36 months after the date of this agreement.
I have spent the afternoon playing around with the numbers and I can't see how they have got 12.2% APR from the 4.5% .
I called the finance company (PSA) and the depressed sounding woman on the phone told me that the "Rate Of Interest On Credit" they were sent by Arnold Clark was 8.4% (translating to annual APR 12.2%) - again I can't get the numbers to work out using 8.4%.
So am I just being thick here, or are Arnold Clark being naughty?
I hope someone can help me work out whether I'm being swindled or not.
Here is the agreement doc that AC gave me:
Cash price including VAT: £14493
Advance payment: £10000
Amount of credit: £4493
Total charge for credit comprises: £892.13
Interest: £606.76
Credit Facility Fee: £0
Administration Fee: £285.37
Total Amount Payable: £15385.13
Duration of Agreement: 36 months
Rate of interest on credit: 4.5%
APR: 12.2%
1 payment of £141.66, (which includes the Credit Facility Fee), payable one month after the date of this agreement, followed by
34 payments each of £141.66 payable monthly thereafter, followed by
1 payment of £427.03 (which includes the Administration Fee) payable 36 months after the date of this agreement.
I have spent the afternoon playing around with the numbers and I can't see how they have got 12.2% APR from the 4.5% .
I called the finance company (PSA) and the depressed sounding woman on the phone told me that the "Rate Of Interest On Credit" they were sent by Arnold Clark was 8.4% (translating to annual APR 12.2%) - again I can't get the numbers to work out using 8.4%.
So am I just being thick here, or are Arnold Clark being naughty?
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Flat rate interest on £4493 x 4.5% x 3years = £606.55.
Putting the repayment figures into an APR calculator, loan £4493, 35 x £141.66 and 1 x 427.03 gives 12.3%.
8.4% annual rate added monthly on the decreasing balance gives a monthly payment of around the £141.66.0 -
Car dealers generally quote flat rate of interest as this sounds better, the APR is much higher."We act as though comfort and luxury are the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about” – Albert Einstein0
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Ah. I thought the interest was 4.5% per MONTH because I pay every month...
Which APR calculator did you use? I used this one but I don't know what to put in under Extra Cost:
efunda dot com/formulae/finance/apr_solver.cfmFlat rate interest on £4493 x 4.5% x 3years = £606.55.
Putting the repayment figures into an APR calculator, loan £4493, 35 x £141.66 and 1 x 427.03 gives 12.3%.
8.4% annual rate added monthly on the decreasing balance gives a monthly payment of £141.66.0 -
Use
http://money-saving-calculators.prudentminds.com/apr-calculator.html
Loan Amount : 4493
Monthly Repayment : 141.36
Num Months : 35
Final Charge : 427.030 -
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So does this mean that the 4.5% and 8.4% are both correct, from different angles?
From speaking to PSA I was led to believe that these represented the same "Rate of Interest on Credit" which made me think that AC had sent PSA a different figure than they gave me.
The woman I spoke to was beyond useless though so she may have been looking at the wrong value.8.4% annual rate added monthly on the decreasing balance gives a monthly payment of around the £141.66.0 -
Back of a fag packet is that flat rate interest quoted by car dealers is around half the apr rate which sort of explains the 4.5% and 8.4%, the leap up to 12.2% is purely a function of getting a bit screwed on the administration fee as the administration fee equates to around a quarter of your total charge for credit.0
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