Social Supermarkets selling rejected food

tessie_bear

cavework wrote: »

Perhaps educating people on how to eat healthy cost effective meals by cooking from scratch instead of fast pre cooked rubbish, would be a better way to go than just passing the cr** on that no one wants to eat?
Just a thought

i agree with that im not sure people need jarred cranberry sauce and asda special ginger biscuits in their life...but i speak for myself

C_Mababejive

Well peeps i realise that my commentary may have sounded harsh but let me tell you that nonone in this country experiences real poverty save for the real homeless who have various issues. They are mostly males who have been cast aside by society and have no priority save to be ignored and die in the cold of Winter.

I was a kid growing up in the late 60s/early70s. I was from one of those broken homes. We lived in a third floor rented flat. There were no carpets only lino. There were no duvets only blankets and coats on top in winter. There was no central heating,only a coal fire when it could be afforded. There was no washer,no fridge,no colour telly,no phone no nothing.

Today people live in comparative luxury.

There is no need for cut price stores and food banks.

Its a case of build it and they will come.

People need to learn how to cook,to prioritise and to eat simply but healthily.

Myself and all my siblings all grew up healthily and all are gainfully employed.

There is far too much greeed,materialism and unrealistic expectation.

If people are too comfortable,they will sit on their backsides.

geordie_joe

cavework wrote: »

Perhaps educating people on how to eat healthy cost effective meals by cooking from scratch instead of fast pre cooked rubbish, would be a better way to go than just passing the cr** on that no one wants to eat?
Just a thought

You didn't see the article on the news, did you? If you had you would have heard the lady say it is all good stuff, in date and fit for purpose. It's just that for one reason or another it was going to be put into landfill. Examples given were mis-printed labels, damaged packaging and ocado delivery returns.

Or are you saying only cr** can have mis-printed labels, damaged packaging etc.

As for educating people to cook cost effective healthy meals, did you not hear the lady say it was not just a supermarket but a complete package to help poor people. Including a cookery school to help them engage with fresh food, debt advice, CV writing, drug and alcohol help etc.

Tiddlywinks

geordie_joe wrote: »

As for educating people to cook cost effective healthy meals, did you not hear the lady say it was not just a supermarket but a complete package to help poor people. Including a cookery school to help them engage with fresh food, debt advice, CV writing, drug and alcohol help etc.

Sliced white bread and cans of Pepsi - health food of the Gods .

How many will buy the fruit and veg and how many the sugar laden fizzy drinks? Not exactly health food is it?

geordie_joe

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Sliced white bread and cans of Pepsi - health food of the Gods .

Ah, another one picking out bad things just to make them selves look superior. Well there is nothing wrong with either, in the right amounts.

And obviously you are not going to admit, or want to know the fact that it was a supermarket and many other items of food too.

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

How many will buy the fruit and veg and how many the sugar laden fizzy drinks?

The same ratio as will in any other supermarket, or are you saying all people on benefits live on bread and coke?

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Not exactly health food is it?

If you want to just eat food the media calls "healthy" then go ahead, but most of us realise that it is not the food that is unhealthy it is the amount consumed.

One more thing, can you explain why at the beginning of your post you imply that it is only white bread and pepsi, and at the end you say "Not exactly health food is it?". Yet in the middle of the post you admit to there being fruit and veg too?

cavework

geordie_joe wrote: »

You didn't see the article on the news, did you? If you had you would have heard the lady say it is all good stuff, in date and fit for purpose. It's just that for one reason or another it was going to be put into landfill. Examples given were mis-printed labels, damaged packaging and ocado delivery returns.

Or are you saying only cr** can have mis-printed labels, damaged packaging etc.

As for educating people to cook cost effective healthy meals, did you not hear the lady say it was not just a supermarket but a complete package to help poor people. Including a cookery school to help them engage with fresh food, debt advice, CV writing, drug and alcohol help etc.

Thats great but how many will take up the offer of cooking lessons?
Instant packaged meals cost a whole lot more than most meals cooked from scratch , that is the honest truth.
Also I have been there and found that buying ingredients and keeping a larder stocked with basics was a whole lot cheaper than me wanting to visit some 'special' supermarket. it was a learning curve.
I also resent your attitude that if someone does not agree with this they must be 'rich' people.
TBH this smacks of segregation You remark about 'poor' people is really condecending

geordie_joe

cavework wrote: »

Thats great but how many will take up the offer of cooking lessons?

I don't know, but it was you who said they should do it. Then when I tell you that they are offering cooking lessons you write the above.

cavework wrote: »

Instant packaged meals cost a whole lot more than most meals cooked from scratch , that is the honest truth.

We all know that, that is why they are running lessons to teach people that!

cavework wrote: »

Also I have been there and found that buying ingredients and keeping a larder stocked with basics was a whole lot cheaper than me wanting to visit some 'special' supermarket.

Don't be silly, wanting cost nothing so how can buying a cupboard full of ingredients be cheaper than that.

cavework wrote: »

it was a learning curve.

Exactly, and you said they should offer help for people to learn to cook. That is what they are doing, exactly what you said they should do.

cavework wrote: »

I also resent your attitude that if someone does not agree with this they must be 'rich' people.

I do not have that attitude at all, I am well aware that poor people can be stupid too.;)

cavework wrote: »

TBH this smacks of segregation

TBH your post smacks of you been jealous because you can't shop there.

cavework wrote: »

You remark about 'poor' people is really condecending

No, it wasn't a remark, it was a description, I described them as poor people. I am not PC like the woman in the clip who described them as "people in food poverty", I call a spade a spade. In my mind, if you are in food poverty then you are poor.

What is condescending is your very first remark in in your post

"Thats great but how many will take up the offer of cooking lessons?"

You are are implying that people in food poverty don't want to learn to cook good food and save money. Yet you say you have "been there and found that buying ingredients and keeping a larder stocked with basics". So, you think other people on benefits can't do the same, or don't want to do the same, or are not capable of doing the same. What make you think you are better than them.

To be honest, your post makes me think you are just jealous that you can't shop there, so are trying to put it, and the people who will use it down.

It's a shop, it's selling goods that would otherwise go into landfill to people who are on benefits, just get over it.

I just hope charities don't start giving food away to people on benefits, god knows what you will say about that. If good caring people start donating food to those who are less fortunate we'll never hear the last of it!

cavework

There are very many people who are just above the income level for benefits who also struggle to meet everyday costs.
Why is it always people who are on benefits that are regarded as being poverty stricken?
As I said and I stand by it , this is segregation. pure and simple. This is not about being jealous , my concern is that the people eligible are being packaged into one box .. on certain benefits, drug addicts and unemployed
If this is such a good idea why can't the supermarkets adopt this themselves and make it avaliable to everyone?

paulineb_2

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Well peeps i realise that my commentary may have sounded harsh but let me tell you that nonone in this country experiences real poverty save for the real homeless who have various issues. They are mostly males who have been cast aside by society and have no priority save to be ignored and die in the cold of Winter.

I was a kid growing up in the late 60s/early70s. I was from one of those broken homes. We lived in a third floor rented flat. There were no carpets only lino. There were no duvets only blankets and coats on top in winter. There was no central heating,only a coal fire when it could be afforded. There was no washer,no fridge,no colour telly,no phone no nothing.

Today people live in comparative luxury.

There is no need for cut price stores and food banks.

Its a case of build it and they will come.

People need to learn how to cook,to prioritise and to eat simply but healthily.

Myself and all my siblings all grew up healthily and all are gainfully employed.

There is far too much greeed,materialism and unrealistic expectation.

If people are too comfortable,they will sit on their backsides.

No need for food banks? Why are so many people using them?
People need to be referred to a food bank and a lot of people using them are people who have had problems with a benefits claim, such as benefits stopping and starting and changing benefits and being left with nothing.

Probably the most high profile food bank user who has helped highlight the issue is Jack Monroe. I read her story on her webpage after seeing an article in a national newspaper last year, she has a blog entry called hunger hurts.

Sometimes its not just the homeless who cant cope money wise and its not a case of people not being able to live frugally. Or that people dont know how to cook. Some people are on minimum wage part time jobs, food costs are rising, so are fuel bills.

As for your assumption that homeless people are mostly males who are cast aside by society. Wrong. I worked in homeless units and temporary accommodation projects for almost 15 years and there were as many female residents as there were male.

Some people dont live in comparative luxury. There will be I think 80 000 children who will wake up in temporary accommodation such as B and Bs at Christmas. And if you do know anything about homelessness, you'll know that there are numerous reasons why people end up homeless, both male and female.

Oh and Im someone who is on a low income myself, I know how to cook, I know how to shop frugally, but Ive used approved foods a lot over the last few years, I also shop in home bargains and B and M. I use a food co op thats local to me, I live in a very poor area. When you go into shops such as home bargains in my area you'll see massive queues and yes some people will have spare cash and are looking to cut food bills, but for some people like myself, every penny counts. There is every need for food banks, sadly. And every need for shops such as home bargains, wilkinsons and B and M.

Im not sure that making profit out of poverty is the best idea, but lots of companies do, such as approved foods, rosspa, Im sure even food co ops invest the money they make, I know my local food co op makes a profit

But sweeping generalisations of theres no need for food banks dont help. They are a lifeline to people who are desperate.

I was in the town next to mine yesterday with my mum and there are 3 pawnbrokers within 30 feet of one another, recently opened. My mum said she hasnt seen the like since the 1960s. And I would argue even that shows just how many businesses are making money from people who need to get rid of possessions they have.

Theres also a payday loans company in my home town and the next one, a cash generator and a brighthouse that sells white goods to people at massive rates of interest.

And yes, I bet there are some people on low incomes who cant budget and blow all their benefit on alcohol, Ive worked with enough of them over the years. But many people who use food banks, those food banks help them through the toughest times. Including people with kids who might not be eating otherwise. Just because times were hard in years gone by and of course they were, doesnt mean that times arent tough for a lot of people now.

Id say the fact that 134 000 people signed the petition that Jack Monroe started shows that a lot of people think its time that this issue should be debated in Parliament despite the best efforts of people like Edwina Currie, to call food bank users people who are just opportunists.

paulineb_2

Oh and even though Im far from affluent, Ive made two donations to food banks this year and given a small amount of money to the Tussell Trust.

I actually agree that sometimes people on JSA fall into certain categories and get help that people on low incomes dont. I get some housing benefit but Im not on JSA, which means I dont qualify for the warm homes discount from my fuel supplier and various other things I would get if I were on JSA, but for me my own quality of life is better being off JSA.

There will always be people who miss out and there are millions of people on low incomes who dont get enough support.