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  • lostinrates
    lostinrates Posts: 55,283 Forumite
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    edited 1 December 2013 at 8:21PM
    Fascinating stuff.


    Any chance of a yes it would be possible to condense the equine stock or no - it wouldn't be a good idea?

    I guess it is possible but presumably the question is do people involved actually want to. I would have thought jobs would be linked to actual animal numbers aren't they fairly labour intensive? Geographic spread for things like vets, farriers wouldn't change much.
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    There is a farrier I have heard of in south east who commutes over from France. And my equine podiatrist covers a huge area.....so condensing would be helpful to her. But I think condensing would actually result, practically in reduction.


    And.....I'm not going to say it would wholly be a bad thing, from an ethical point of view, in many cases for the animals, but I do think it would have impact on jobs and that industry.

    I don't know if that's a bad thing either, but the blanket view on this board is jobs equal good, loss of them equal bad. I'm not always sure its quite so. I think its a greyer world.

    I do think if compulsory purchase in stockbroker belt came in things might not look pretty, though plenty of sites ripe for expansion.

    We looked at a plot near m25 we would have considered if we could build on. Horrid and noisy of course, but we could have lived together....
  • BigAunty
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    What do you all think of moving people from their home city to coastal areas due to the shortage of council housing as seen on the news today.



    Last November in England due to the Localism Act, a change was made to ensure that councils no longer had to provide social housing to the homeless - they can now discharge their statutory duties by offering them settled accommodation, which includes the option to offer a 'suitable' 1 year private tenancy. My understanding is that this no longer has to be in the area where they made their homeless application (though possibly this may just apply to their interim accommodation while their application is being processed, not sure).

    This seems a very realistic response to the lack of social housing and the housing benefit caps. Councils were struggling to find social housing for those in priority need, families were ending up in hostels and B&Bs.

    So as far as I'm concerned, housing the homeless in areas further away than they desire isn't punitive but realistic given the claimants low incomes and the lack of available housing in their original areas.

    Those taking up studying and job opportunities, moving in with partners from other areas, often move away from immediate family and friends - its the norm. Somehow, benefit claimants have expectations of being able to live long term within a mile or two of where they prefer to live.

    When I've read articles that involve interviews with lone parents who live in central London who fear being moved south of the river or Romford, they react like they are being sent into space.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    edited 2 December 2013 at 12:12AM
    "Poole for the Continent - Swanage for the incontinent".

    Don't forget that Sandbanks has the most expensive housing outside of London - there won't be much Grannie dumping in Bournemouth and Poole and the other wealthy suburbs in that corner of Dorset/Hampshire.

    Just putting Bournemouth elderly care home brings up a Google map offering over a dozen possibilities - most of them look like £500 - £1000+ per week.

    We used to rent flats at Sandbanks,for our holidays, in the 90s. Similar properties are now £1000 - 1200 per week.

    Ben Fogle did a show last year,where a local EA had turned over £50m value, in a year, of property over 60 properties IIRC, on or close proximity to SB and nearly all were cash buyers.
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  • ERICS_MUM
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    i always thought the rule of thumb was one acre per horse ?

    P.S what does IIRC mean ?

    thanks EM
  • lostinrates
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    ERICS_MUM wrote: »
    i always thought the rule of thumb was one acre per horse ?

    P.S what does IIRC mean ?

    thanks EM

    The bhs say two acres for the first horse and an acre for each after as the rule of thumb I think, but not sure. New forest park tried to bring in a rule similar for grazed land around the forest (as opposed to open forest ), to much uproar as people started yelling about laminitis.

    The truth is there is no hard and fast rule. 1 acre on sand is not the same as one acre on clay. Upland is different to low land, West Country high rain fall is different to lower rain fall east. Some horses never get to go outside at all. Lots is possible, doesn't make it right. That's how it comes to keep people as well as animals.
  • lostinrates
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    Iirc is if I recall correctly
  • LydiaJ
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    Just putting Bournemouth elderly care home brings up a Google map offering over a dozen possibilities - most of them look like £500 - £1000+ per week.

    Is this supposed to be surprising, or specific to Bournemouth? I would imagine that putting <name of town the size of Bournemouth> elderly care home into Google maps would bring up over a dozen possibilities just about anywhere. £500/week is very cheap for an actual care home as opposed to sheltered or supported accommodation. £1000+/week is more like what it actually costs to provide 24/7 care with the necessary equipment and staffing, and still run a business that doesn't go bust.
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  • Or better yet use just 10% of the land currently assigned to grazing ponies for little Henrietta and Tarquin.

    Only 10% of the land we currently use just for grazing horses would be enough to build several million new houses and take care of people's needs for the next few decades......

    You would not dream of promulgating that idea down in this neck of the woods. I am forced by Mrs LM, every Sunday, to go on a 5 mile route march. Today we kept local with the dog and went through Epping Forest. About 20 Henriettas and 15 Tarquins were to be seen of nags of all shapes and sizes.

    Sitting with a nice pint at The Owl, the silence was broken only by the gentle clip-clop of little chubby Henrietta on her pony, and you want to replace that with the sound of Porches racing past? How do you expect young Tarquin to get a job in Merchant Banking if he's never mastered the Essex and Suffolk Hunt?

    If we want new houses in Essex, we have a huge site in the form of disused Bradwell Nuclear Power Station. An ideal place for "affordable" homes, which will all eventually glow in the dark.
  • you want to replace that with the sound of Porches racing past?

    Porch racing must be an Essex thing.

    Here in Scotland we leave them attached to the houses.:D
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  • John_Pierpoint
    John_Pierpoint Posts: 8,401 Forumite
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    edited 2 December 2013 at 6:26AM
    LydiaJ wrote: »
    Is this supposed to be surprising, or specific to Bournemouth? I would imagine that putting <name of town the size of Bournemouth> elderly care home into Google maps would bring up over a dozen possibilities just about anywhere. £500/week is very cheap for an actual care home as opposed to sheltered or supported accommodation. £1000+/week is more like what it actually costs to provide 24/7 care with the necessary equipment and staffing, and still run a business that doesn't go bust.

    This in not in anyway a statistically accurate method and the Bournemouth conurbation might by now be the more populated area as Poole was the fastest growing town in Britain in the 1990s. However the ever "helpful" new version of Google maps defaulted to Southend on Sea, instead of Bournemouth, as I tried to compose my query.
    The (commercial?) care homes were twice as dense on the ground in Bournemouth.

    I have a gut feeling that the farming of "self funding" grannies is a well organised industry in the Eastern corner of Dorset - you might as well spend it if the government is going to get 40% anyway..

    John

    PS anyone know how to "pan" E <-> W & N <-> S on the new Google maps?
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