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  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    edited 1 December 2013 at 12:50PM
    Legalised corruption introduced by a democratically elected government. That wouldn't happen would it?

    At the end of the day Joe Punter pays whether it is through higher prices or taxation. It is just a question of which is most equitable and at what point it has to be paid.

    In your Derby example if the market needed redevelopment the council would have loaded local taxes or reduced services elsewhere to pay for it. Arguably a vibrant local market or high street close by will also improve custom for Tesco.

    If I want a gas or telephone supply to a virgin site is it provided for nothing?


    The democratically elected government allows infrastructure charges but doesn't require them.

    Much of the spend is wasted as the criteria isn't what is delivered but what is charged.

    Where I live we have all sorts of useless road schemes introduced that no-one wants. However the council always argues they are 'free' so that's alright.



    If the council really thought that the redevelopment would help the city then it should fund it because of the benefits
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »

    Where I live we have all sorts of useless road schemes introduced that no-one wants. However the council always argues they are 'free' so that's alright.



    If the council really thought that the redevelopment would help the city then it should fund it because of the benefits

    You are lucky to have road schemes we desperately need them but nothing gets done. Doesn't stop 2000 planning applications being submitted.

    Nothing is free.

    Council undertakes refurbishment and charges x more in council tax. Tesco does it consumers spend y on pears rather than z somewhere else. Which are they most likely to notice, which one isn't embargoed by central government through nil council tax increase directives?
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    You are lucky to have road schemes we desperately need them but nothing gets done. Doesn't stop 2000 planning applications being submitted.

    Nothing is free.

    Council undertakes refurbishment and charges x more in council tax. Tesco does it consumers spend y on pears rather than z somewhere else. Which are they most likely to notice, which one isn't embargoed by central government through nil council tax increase directives?


    You clearly do not understand what I mean by 'free'.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    You clearly do not understand what I mean by 'free'.

    Au contraire.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    At the end of the day Joe Punter pays whether it is through higher prices or taxation. It is just a question of which is most equitable and at what point it has to be paid.

    That's not the only question. One question is whether local councillors are suitably equipped to determine whether deciding that a market renovation is best paid for via food bills or council tax. The other question is whether using a planning committee is the most efficient way of raising investment capital.
    In your Derby example if the market needed redevelopment the council would have loaded local taxes or reduced services elsewhere to pay for it. Arguably a vibrant local market or high street close by will also improve custom for Tesco.

    The fact of this matter is that even the council would never in a million years try to justify that the redevelopment should be paid for by the taxpayer. What they've done therefore is ensure food bills have gone up to pay for a project which no-one cares about.
    If I want a gas or telephone supply to a virgin site is it provided for nothing?

    I assume you'd pay for the costs associated with this. You'd be a bit miffed if you had to provide the council with a pallet of winter grit to get the appropriate permission.

    I just think planning permission should be granted (or not) based on the merits of the case and not influenced by the amount of cash that can be extracted from the applicant.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »
    That's not the only question. One question is whether local councillors are suitably equipped to determine whether deciding that a market renovation is best paid for via food bills or council tax. The other question is whether using a planning committee is the most efficient way of raising investment capital.

    Who should make the decision?

    The fact of this matter is that even the council would never in a million years try to justify that the redevelopment should be paid for by the taxpayer. What they've done therefore is ensure food bills have gone up to pay for a project which no-one cares about.

    Presumably someone cares about it even if you don't. If food bills have gone up then the local populace can always shop elsewhere. Tesco learn a lesson not to push through planning on a site next time. Presumably Tesco didn't have to build there they must have made a commercial decision.


    I assume you'd pay for the costs associated with this. You'd be a bit miffed if you had to provide the council with a pallet of winter grit to get the appropriate permission.


    Would seem a small price to pay if I wanted the development and the overall cost was within budget parameters. Again the developers (or me) could always walk away.



    I just think planning permission should be granted (or not) based on the merits of the case and not influenced by the amount of cash that can be extracted from the applicant.

    Mention it to your parliamentary candidates next time they canvass you. It is the way of the world. Mention Diego Carcia to him at the same time.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    Mention it to your parliamentary candidates next time they canvass you. It is the way of the world. Mention Diego Carcia to him at the same time.

    I complain to the council. They send me a letter back saying they consider things of this matter to be a freedom of information request and it'll cost the taxpayer £250 to process.

    Oh well - politicians know best.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »
    I complain to the council. They send me a letter back saying they consider things of this matter to be a freedom of information request and it'll cost the taxpayer £250 to process.

    Oh well - politicians know best.

    Democratically elected so representing the wishes of the public at large.

    Perhaps you could ask Sony why they won't allow PS4 to run legacy games? Private enterprise knows best.

    I wonder what the US greased the palms of the then government with to enjoy the freedom of our Indian Ocean Territory?
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
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