Irish "Healers"

qwert_yuiop

Cotta wrote: »

The big guns do charge, I know Aidan Wrynne does two home clinics per week from 18:00 - 21:00 and sees at least 50 people during this time. His fee is 30 euro or 25 sterling.

Treating things which wax and wane anyway, like a lot of skin problems, some improvement is going to coincide with some of the attendances.

That's a pretty nice part time business - £25 every 3-4 minutes. Zero costs.
Sorry, no cheques or cards, no receipts.

Come back if you get it again.

GlynD

lazer wrote: »

Ther eis no harm in them as long as they are not used as an alternative to conventional medicine.

I have family that have used them for serious execema and it worked, I have also had other family members use them and it didn't work.

Most don't charge at all or just a small voluntary donation asked for.

I did a bit of googling after reading your post and came up with various websites which offer cures, particularly for eczema. One person says they cured themselves through concentration. http://wisebeloved.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/how-joy-within-can-heal-eczema/ another guy promises to cure it with hypnotism http://www.rigbys.net/clinical/eczema.htm and there's more threads than you can shake a stick at claiming that prayer can cure it and all other ills.

I suppose ultimately, healers are no different from priests or lay preachers in claiming that faith can cure. When I was young I used to go to the Leslie Hale meetings in Faith Tabernacle on the York Road. People would come up to the front to have him lay hands on them and later swear blind they'd been cured of the most terrible of ailments.

I'm afraid I had no faith in it then and I still don't have. I guess I'm just too much of a cynic for things like this to work for me. I certainly can't be hypnotised and believe that hypnosis is just another load of bunkum.

Cotta

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Treating things which wax and wane anyway, like a lot of skin problems, some improvement is going to coincide with some of the attendances.

That's a pretty nice part time business - £25 every 3-4 minutes. Zero costs.
Sorry, no cheques or cards, no receipts.

Come back if you get it again.

Better than that - you have to do between 3 and 6 possibly 9 treatments with the guy but as Glynn said people swear by him.

qwert_yuiop

GlynD wrote: »

I did a bit of googling after reading your post and came up with various websites which offer cures, particularly for eczema. One person says they cured themselves through concentration. http://wisebeloved.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/how-joy-within-can-heal-eczema/ another guy promises to cure it with hypnotism http://www.rigbys.net/clinical/eczema.htm and there's more threads than you can shake a stick at claiming that prayer can cure it and all other ills.

I suppose ultimately, healers are no different from priests or lay preachers in claiming that faith can cure. When I was young I used to go to the Leslie Hale meetings in Faith Tabernacle on the York Road. People would come up to the front to have him lay hands on them and later swear blind they'd been cured of the most terrible of ailments.

I'm afraid I had no faith in it then and I still don't have. I guess I'm just too much of a cynic for things like this to work for me. I certainly can't be hypnotised and believe that hypnosis is just another load of bunkum.

Now there's a blast from the past. Is he the man who tried to build a cathedral in Mallusk? There's a strange building site there, long before the term ghost estate was ever invented, which lay idle for years. I remember hearing about some fool who sold his farm and gave the proceeds to Les, who went bust despite this. Couldn't cure his financial problems evidently.

GlynD

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Now there's a blast from the past. Is he the man who tried to build a cathedral in Mallusk? There's a strange building site there, long before the term ghost estate was ever invented, which lay idle for years. I remember hearing about some fool who sold his farm and gave the proceeds to Les, who went bust despite this. Couldn't cure his financial problems evidently.

That's the very same guy. He was an American style preacher who used to draw big audiences at fairly sizable premises on the York Road. He also held some rallies in the Ulster Hall which were very well attended. I guess he thought he had the fund raising capability to get his Faith Cathedral finished but as it turns out he was wrong.

I do seem to remember there was a scandal of some kind which probably inhibited him in the end. He had the building up and as you say, it sat there for years, probably demolished now which is why it's just a site (I haven't been past it for years). I'll do a bit of digging and try to see what put the mockers on it but something in the back of my mind tells me it was a marital scandal.

Isn't that what happens to all those American preachers too? They come on TV and eloquently beg for your money and all goes well until they start seeing somebody in the choir, to the eternal chagrin of their wives. Then they come back on TV and do the sobbing bit to try and save their luxurious lifestyle funded by their passionate, if foolish, followers. I'm pretty positive that's what Leslie Hale did too. Appeared on Ulster TV or something with tears in his eyes.

Physician faith healer - heal thyself!

EDIT: Plenty on the web about Mr Hale. The scandal was financial, not marital. It seems he did a runner to America and does just the same thing over there, begs for money to run his "ministry". His website is a bit poor looking and, as noted on another website, has nothing about God on the front page, just an advert to buy his book. http://www.lesliehale.com/

It seems he's trying to raise $3 million to build a "Faith Tabernacle," now where have I heard that before? But it looks like some of the Yanks at least aren't keen on him going by this blog http://www.butnotyet.com/2011/05/the-irish-preacher/

This article from the News Letter sheds a bit more light on everything. Of course according to Leslie Hale himself he's done nothing wrong: http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/hale-now-is-time-to-put-record-straight-1-1888717

qwert_yuiop

GlynD wrote: »

That's the very same guy. He was an American style preacher who used to draw big audiences at fairly sizable premises on the York Road. He also held some rallies in the Ulster Hall which were very well attended. I guess he thought he had the fund raising capability to get his Faith Cathedral finished but as it turns out he was wrong.

I do seem to remember there was a scandal of some kind which probably inhibited him in the end. He had the building up and as you say, it sat there for years, probably demolished now which is why it's just a site (I haven't been past it for years). I'll do a bit of digging and try to see what put the mockers on it but something in the back of my mind tells me it was a marital scandal.

Isn't that what happens to all those American preachers too? They come on TV and eloquently beg for your money and all goes well until they start seeing somebody in the choir, to the eternal chagrin of their wives. Then they come back on TV and do the sobbing bit to try and save their luxurious lifestyle funded by their passionate, if foolish, followers. I'm pretty positive that's what Leslie Hale did too. Appeared on Ulster TV or something with tears in his eyes.

Physician faith healer - heal thyself!

EDIT: Plenty on the web about Mr Hale. The scandal was financial, not marital. It seems he did a runner to America and does just the same thing over there, begs for money to run his "ministry". His website is a bit poor looking and, as noted on another website, has nothing about God on the front page, just an advert to buy his book. http://www.lesliehale.com/

It seems he's trying to raise $3 million to build a "Faith Tabernacle," now where have I heard that before? But it looks like some of the Yanks at least aren't keen on him going by this blog http://www.butnotyet.com/2011/05/the-irish-preacher/

This article from the News Letter sheds a bit more light on everything. Of course according to Leslie Hale himself he's done nothing wrong: http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/hale-now-is-time-to-put-record-straight-1-1888717

Well, I suppose you have to admire his charisma and his talent for communication. Probably.

qwert_yuiop

Actually, no. You don't.

thefreckle

I wouldn't be a believer in any of that but I was taken to something like this as a child - I had warts on my hands and some fella heated up a needle and traced it around the contours in the warts. They were gone within a week or two if I remember correctly and I've had no bother with them since

GlynD

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Well, I suppose you have to admire his charisma and his talent for communication. Probably.

You've certainly got to acknowledge his ability and cheek to be able to live his, fairly luxurious lifestyle, through begging from other people.

Cotta

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