DEO when finishing one job and starting another

gingergee

Would a case go to nil assessment during the time period between jobs. For example nrp hands in notice to employers, rings CSA to say he has finished his job. He doesn't mention starting a new one to them. They recalculate the claim. He has a gap between jobs, then starts again with new employer in a few weeks, but doesn't inform CSA.
As suspected my case is now nil assessment. My husband suspects that the scenario above is what happened, confirmed by a message informing me my ex will be on monthly pay and begging me to cancel CSA claim and enter into a private agreement for £60 more a month than what i was receiving before.
Is it possible that my ex has a new job and knows he will pay me more if i stick with CSA? They told me that if i did cancel the claim and move onto private agreement that i couldn't involve them after ward's.
My ex is desperate to get me to cancel the claim, making me wonder if he is doing it before his new employment commences to ensure the CSA don't make the calculation, which was £100pw until now. He offered 115 or 460 a month if i go private.

Thanks in advance, i know its a long one!!!!!!

XxxGxxx

HoneyNutLoop

gingergee wrote: »

Would a case go to nil assessment during the time period between jobs. For example nrp hands in notice to employers, rings CSA to say he has finished his job. He doesn't mention starting a new one to them. They recalculate the claim. He has a gap between jobs, then starts again with new employer in a few weeks, but doesn't inform CSA.

Yes it would be correct for the assessment to go to nil if there was a gap of more than a week between ending the old job and starting the new job, unless your ex had another source of income during that time - pension, tax credits, 2nd job that was still ongoing, etc.

As suspected my case is now nil assessment. My husband suspects that the scenario above is what happened, confirmed by a message informing me my ex will be on monthly pay and begging me to cancel CSA claim and enter into a private agreement for £60 more a month than what i was receiving before.
Is it possible that my ex has a new job and knows he will pay me more if i stick with CSA?

Is it possible? Yes anything's possible. I recall you asking a similar question recently about why your ex might want rid of the CSA from his life. All we can do on here is guess about his motivations for wanting a private agreement. Only he can tell you his actual reasons and even that relies on you believing he has told the truth.

They told me that if i did cancel the claim and move onto private agreement that i couldn't involve them after ward's.

That's not entirely accurate. You can apply again, they will just only involve themselves again following your subsequent application and to deal with any arrears/overpayment from your closed case. However, they won't involve themselves in your private agreement.

My ex is desperate to get me to cancel the claim, making me wonder if he is doing it before his new employment commences to ensure the CSA don't make the calculation, which was £100pw until now. He offered 115 or 460 a month if i go private.

Thanks in advance, i know its a long one!!!!!!

XxxGxxx

It might be worth you having a look at the child maintenance options website or giving them a call to get more info about private arrangements. http://www.cmoptions.org

gingergee

Thanks, that helps. Im going to wait a month or so then ring them to see if he has returned to work. I know he will not have no job at all as he is mortgaged to the max. Also i know he won't tell them when he starts a new job so i will need to politely encourage them to investigate. He is a very devious person.

Orville

gingergee wrote: »

Thanks, that helps. Im going to wait a month or so then ring them to see if he has returned to work. I know he will not have no job at all as he is mortgaged to the max. Also i know he won't tell them when he starts a new job so i will need to politely encourage them to investigate. He is a very devious person.

i'd ask the ex to see a copy of his first and maybe second wage slip before you enter into a private agreement...

Marisco

Orville wrote: »

i'd ask the ex to see a copy of his first and maybe second wage slip before you enter into a private agreement...

Do you really think her ex is going to do that??? If I'd have asked my ex or my ex asked me or if oh's ex asked him, we'd have all say "do one"!! The clue is in the name......ex, so long a the ex is paying his/her dues, what they earn or spend has got nothing at all to do with the PWC!

Orville

Marisco wrote: »

Do you really think her ex is going to do that??? If I'd have asked my ex or my ex asked me or if oh's ex asked him, we'd have all say "do one"!! The clue is in the name......ex, so long a the ex is paying his/her dues, what they earn or spend has got nothing at all to do with the PWC!

That is exactly my point..!!. The ex would immediately say no as it is obvious there earnings are more then they are letting on even with the paultry offer of £60 a month more. I'd refuse and go through the csa...

Marisco

Orville wrote: »

That is exactly my point..!!. The ex would immediately say no as it is obvious there earnings are more then they are letting on even with the paultry offer of £60 a month more. I'd refuse and go through the csa...

Not necessarily. I wouldn't care what my earnings were, I'd not let my ex see my pay slip as it would be none of his business, and I know my ex wouldn't let me see his either, not because he was hiding anything, but because it would be none of my business either. Once you split, so long as the NRP pays for the child/ren, then what you do/spend is nothing to do with the PWC.

Orville

Marisco wrote: »

Not necessarily. I wouldn't care what my earnings were, I'd not let my ex see my pay slip as it would be none of his business, and I know my ex wouldn't let me see his either, not because he was hiding anything, but because it would be none of my business either. Once you split, so long as the NRP pays for the child/ren, then what you do/spend is nothing to do with the PWC.

That would also be another pointless exercise surely as the only thing that matters is bottom end. IE a persons income can easily be worked out as you get a flat percentage of it.

If your asking to do a deal and have nothing to hide why wouldn't you?.

This is my point, no-one would show it, not for the reasons you mentioned but because ultimately they are earning more then they are letting on. What i dont get is why would you be so stupid as to offer more?. This would immediately make me think something is not he is making it out to be.

Marisco

Maye he doesn't want his new employers to know about his personal business, which they would do with a DEO. A DEO gives the impression that an NRP is a "deadbeat" who refuses to pay for his kids, when this is not always the case.

Cally_Smart

Yes,definitely.We were shocked to see that the CSA had approached my husbands employers a year previously and we WERE paying the pwc ! In fact ,we carried on paying her in the same way for those 14 months which they aren't counting (yet!) We are determined to prove we always paid and decided to do exactly what the CSA asked until we can prove otherwise(via our MP,etc)My husband is certainly no dead beat Dad and I agree that a DEO would label someone as such in the eyes of an employer(unfairly so, as you say Marisco, for a lot of people who have complicated cases under investigation)

justontime

There are good reasons not to want a DEO. There is the possibility of underpayment if you get paid less than before (eg being off sick). Also if the employer doesn't pay the money that has been deducted to CSA, the NRP will still owe it and will have to pay twice. A DEO puts the NRP in a very vulnerable situation, at least paying by SO as my husband does means that he can be absolutely certain that the correct amount has been paid, he always checks to see that it has gone out, so if there was ever a problem he could deal with it straight away.

I don't see why it would be a problem to show a payslip or a P60 to the PWC, it seems only fair really, when you share children you also share a financial obligation to them and that involves being honest about money.