biometric data for clocking in and out

John1993_2

tir21 wrote: »

thanks for your reply takeaway



yes it seems if a conpany uses just reference points of a print there is no problem.

im new to all this and none of it has been explained to me before unfortunately

if a company actualy keep a copy of a print i think it would not be unreasonable for an employee to object. criminals have their fingerprints on record but i don't see why employees should be treated similarly

Would you feel the same about them having your photograph on your pass, or your signature on file?

If not, why not? Your company needs something personal to identify you, what's so special about the shape of the end of your finger?

tir21

apparently the system they are using does keep a copy of the fingerpint but it's on an encrypted program. im still not happy about it

what should be my next step?

marybelle01

tir21 wrote: »

what should be my next step?

Nothing. You have no legal right to object to the systems your employer chooses to select, and as someone else has pointed out, your employer keeps far more sensitive data about you which you aren't objecting to (and can't object to). The employer isn't doing anything wrong. But drawing attention to yourself on this matter may make them wonder about you! And what is wrong with biometric data? Modern passports contain it - and far more accurate data than a thumbprint. Are you objecting to them too? Or do you simply intend to never leave the country? Lots of people have biometric data stored for entirely legitimate reasons, and it is not just criminals who have their fingerprints taken. I think you are over-reacting.

TadleyBaggie

tir21 wrote: »

what should be my next step?

Storing of such data would fall under the remit of the Data Protection Act, so data would have to be stored securely, access to it restricted etc. You either learn to live with it or leave I suspect.

tir21

John1993 wrote: »

Would you feel the same about them having your photograph on your pass, or your signature on file?

no because that is necessary infirmation. keeping my fingerprints is uneccesary for the sole purpose of checking what time i arrive and leave. i have been using a card to do it for many years

f not, why not? Your company needs something personal to identify you, what's so special about the shape of the end of your finger?

it just doesnt feel right. it seems orwellian. if it doesnt feel right why should i have to justify my reasons

marybelle01

tir21 wrote: »

no because that is necessary infirmation. keeping my fingerprints is uneccesary for the sole purpose of checking what time i arrive and leave. i have been using a card to do it for many years And now you won't be using the card - you will be using your fingerprint, The employer considers it necessary. What you think is necessary really doesn't factor in it.



it just doesnt feel right. it seems orwellian. if it doesnt feel right why should i have to justify my reasons And from the employers point of view, why should they justify it to you? They own the business, this is what they have decided.

I really think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. What possible nefarious purpose could they use your fingerprint for? And if they lost it, bit that I can imagine they could (although then you would have something to complain about) what possible nefarious purpose could anyone else use it for? If I was inclined towards nefarious purposes, I would much rather have your full name, home address, telephone number and your bank details - all of which I am sure you willingly handed over to your employer in order to get paid!

tir21

marybelle01 wrote: »

Nothing. You have no legal right to object to the systems your employer chooses to select,

i dont think were living in north korea just yet. we do have so rights to object to what we think are uneccesary intrusions

and as someone else has pointed out, your employer keeps far more sensitive data about you which you aren't objecting to (and can't object to). The employer isn't doing anything wrong. But drawing attention to yourself on this matter may make them wonder about you!

wonder what about me?

And what is wrong with biometric data? Modern passports contain it - and far more accurate data than a thumbprint. Are you objecting to them too? Or do you simply intend to never leave the country? Lots of people have biometric data stored for entirely legitimate reasons, and it is not just criminals who have their fingerprints taken. I think you are over-reacting.

there is nothing necessarily wrong with biometric data, there is just no reason why an employer should need it for me to clock in and out

hcb42

I guess if you object so strongly you could just put your notice in....;) They are not going to change the system for one unfortunately

tir21

mary

And now you won't be using the card - you will be using your fingerprint, The employer considers it necessary. What you think is necessary really doesn't factor in it.

so if they say i should not have any breaks, what i think doesnt really get factored in?

And from the employers point of view, why should they justify it to you?

maybe because it makes more sense to have a happy employee than a disgruntled one

They own the business, this is what they have decided.

owning a business does not mean you can do what you want

skivenov

tir21 wrote: »

apparently the system they are using does keep a copy of the fingerpint but it's on an encrypted program. im still not happy about it

what should be my next step?

Generally, this sort of thing is managed like a password, where it goes through a one-way encryption process. The fingerprint is scanned, the data encrypted, and compared against the encrypted version of the original image.

Passwords work the same way.

I would doubt highly that a full image is collected or stored in any form, so it's highly unlikely that an image of your fingerprint could be generated from the data stored.