Ha...tories start deleting speeches and removing them from archives

Generali

Kennyboy66 wrote: »

What is the real news media ?

Newspapers are dying on their !!!!, TV news and Radio are dominated by the state BBC - and not many have managed to crack making money from internet news (Financial Times is one of the few really successful ones).

In making it much harder to find what Tory speeches and policies were a Tory spokesman said;

“These changes allow people to quickly and easily access the most important information we provide.”

A splendid bit of Doublespeak.

Please point me in the direction where I can find this deleted info prior to 2004 (when the British Library started archiving this stuff).

Are party political websites meant to be some sort of repository of party history? This seems a bit cooked up TBH.

Any policy which is put before Parliament is in Hansard which is very widely available on the Interwebs and on paper. I'm not convinced that the idle musings of the Junior Under Secretary for Roads (Norfolk and Suffolk) need to be stored for the rest of time just in case a journalist wants to try to dig out an old speech to embarrass him.

grizzly1911

Generali wrote: »

I'm not convinced that the idle musings of the Junior Under Secretary for Roads (Norfolk and Suffolk) need to be stored for the rest of time just in case a journalist wants to try to dig out an old speech to embarrass him.

Perhaps the MSE archive team should do the same - save the trolls time and effort.

Loughton_Monkey

Yes, we can all laugh about this one, but actually you might be surprised.

I've done quite a bit of genealogy, and the amount of stuff we can look up about our ancestors is quite impressive, despite the "Non-Internet, Non-Computer" age they lived in.

I have handled the original "Removal Order" that was issued in 1752 to my fifth-great grandfather. [Yes, he, his wife, and 4 four children were benefit scroungers in one village, but legally sent to another parish 5 miles away deemed to be his 'place of settlement' because no parish wanted to pay 'relief' to 'migrants' who were deemed 'benefits tourists']. OK, this particular one is not imaged on the Internet but a lot of them are.

I can see the application forms and service records for my ancestors (WW1) and see their disciplinary records. I can see legal settlements between an ancestor and his brother-in-law because the former was beating his wife......

It is patently obvious that after 100 years, our descendants will have access to 53 squillion web pages, e-mails, facebook pictures..... which will disclose virtually every detail of your life to your great grandson. Company archives - currently private - held on computers will release huge detail of your salary, tax, pension, disciplinary record, absense record, performance appraisals. The only factor saving your embarrassment will be the fact that you are dead.

Why not write a complete confession and leave it with your will, and make it easier for them?

MFW_ASAP

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Yes, we can all laugh about this one, but actually you might be surprised?

I can't imagine future descendants of devon or shortchanged having the stamina to go throught their tens of thousands of posts about the same topics over and over and over again. That's asuming they ever find find women to have descendants with, which I seriously doubt.

System

Kennyboy66 wrote: »

Please point me in the direction where I can find this deleted info prior to 2004 (when the British Library started archiving this stuff).

Generali's post covers the essential non-importance of this issue.

Teacup, storm, a, in,

Loughton_Monkey

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

I can't imagine future descendants of devon or shortchanged having the stamina to go throught their tens of thousands of posts about the same topics over and over and over again. That's asuming they ever find find women to have descendants with, which I seriously doubt.

Doesn't he already have three kids?

Whether or not we would like to admit it, he is in fact related to us. All males are related to a single person only (if my memory serve me right) about 15,000 years ago. That's 'only' about 600 or so generations.

So your 600th great grandfather was, indeed, my 600th (or 599th whatever) great grandfather, and - like it or not - Graham's.

A sobering thought.

MFW_ASAP

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Doesn't he already have three kids?

Whether or not we would like to admit it, he is in fact related to us. All males are related to a single person only (if my memory serve me right) about 15,000 years ago. That's 'only' about 600 or so generations.

So your 600th great grandfather was, indeed, my 600th (or 599th whatever) great grandfather, and - like it or not - Graham's.

A sobering thought.

Some of us have evolved since then, others haven't. If we still had natural selection for humans, then Devon would be in trouble. With his natural indolence and malaise, he would be sat in a cave starving to death while listing the various reasons why he couldn't improve his circumstances.

Devonstone: "I'm not buying a spear to hunt food because they are too expensive, I'm going to wait until prices come down".

MSEPebble: "You'll starve. Besides if you buy a spear, you can use part of your hunt to pay off the cost of it, after that all the game you hunt is yours"

Devonstone: "There are a milion reasons whythat won;t work and I'll scribe them all onto this cave wall for posterity".

MSEPebble: "Great, you do that. I'm off out to hunt a mammoth for me andmy family. Bye."

Devonstone: "Ha! He's part of the system, earning a bit of money for the spearmaker while keeping his family fed. I've seen through it all, it's a ponzy scheme. Hmnn, is that loud noisemy stomach rumbling. Hmnn, my wife and kids have moved into the cave next door with that better provider. No matter, I'll show them, I'm going to spend all my waking hours writing on this cave wall."

nicko33

Triffid wrote: »

....and I think you need to wind your neck in from posting nasty personal insults like a little girl!

I think that's the only contribution she has to make. And you should beware of insulting little girls by comparing them with this dull troll.

IronWolf

That web archive is cool, never knew it existed

Take a look at the original MSE

http://web.archive.org/web/20020726003137/http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/

ValHaller

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

Generali's post covers the essential non-importance of this issue.

Teacup, storm, a, in,

Looking back, of course it is a storm in a teacup.

Going forwards, it does damage to future speeches. Like "you are promising X in your speech today - when will your speech be erased from the internet?"