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Difference in unpaid lunchbreaks

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  • Denning. wrote: »
    Well it is. Your job is not that important. People who claim 'they are too busy to stop' are in one of two possible situations.

    1) They are incompetent and can't get the work done in their contracted hours
    2) Their workload is too much for one person.

    If it is the former then you are doing the right thing. If it is the latter you are just shooting yourself in the foot.



    or the 3rd type.

    The person who takes on more work to get a head, and reaps the benefit when they get promoted much much faster than everyone else (I am this 3rd type).

    I love 9-5 people who work to rule, they do their jobs but are so much easier to fly past on the way up the ladder.
  • or the 3rd type.

    The person who takes on more work to get a head, and reaps the benefit when they get promoted much much faster than everyone else (I am this 3rd type).

    I love 9-5 people who work to rule, they do their jobs but are so much easier to fly past on the way up the ladder.

    Great point.

    OP can you present to your boss on all of the extra effort/ work you are putting in and achievements, and try for a promotion or pay increase instead. If you really wish to get ahead, complaining about half hour a day isn't the right approach. Make the point that you are willing to put in the extra time and go above and beyond the 9-5ers because you want to progress.
  • Denning.
    Denning. Posts: 2,749 Forumite
    or the 3rd type.

    The person who takes on more work to get a head, and reaps the benefit when they get promoted much much faster than everyone else (I am this 3rd type).

    I love 9-5 people who work to rule, they do their jobs but are so much easier to fly past on the way up the ladder.

    Good for you. I play the odds. I work my contracted hours and get statistically larger promotions than you by moving company. Internal promotions are often poor and you will soon realise all those long hours have likely ended in a below market salary.

    Loyalty is for mugs, a company will get rid of you at a drop off a hat and not have a care in the world.
  • theoretica
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    I've discovered that one department in our firm works the same 8 hour day as the rest of us, but have only half an hour unpaid lunchbreak. They are therefore paid for 7.5 hours a day. The rest of us have an hour's unpaid lunchbreak. So are paid for 7 hours a day.

    Are you paid a salary or by the hour? If an annual salary do you know that the 7.5 hour workers are actually getting more, one average, than the workers on 7 hours?
    But a banker, engaged at enormous expense,
    Had the whole of their cash in his care.
    Lewis Carroll
  • Denning. wrote: »
    Good for you. I play the odds. I work my contracted hours and get statistically larger promotions than you by moving company. Internal promotions are often poor and you will soon realise all those long hours have likely ended in a below market salary.

    Loyalty is for mugs, a company will get rid of you at a drop off a hat and not have a care in the world.


    You know what, your timing is perfect.

    there is a difference between loyalty and playing the game, I don’t do the extra hours becuase I love the company, I do them because I KNOW that if I do them this year my payrise will more than make up for it next.

    if it didn’t I would leave straight away (and did my last company), the extra work I pick up always involves learning a new area so my CV is constantly improving.

    I start in my new role at my current company in 2 weeks, 40% payrise, after getting 10-15% a year for the last 2. Not going to go into salary numbers as its not something I talk about on the interweb, but its anything but below market(given my experience) , and is far from low.

    and when I do jump ship, internal promotions look great on a CV, as they don’t go to coasters, plus if you can show talent, age and experience often becomes irrelevant, for example my new role was a 10+ years relevant trade experience role if they had gone externally, I got it with 3 as they know I can pick up the extras without trouble, so I'm already about 5-6 years ahead of the curve.

    Also, once you start getting near the top of your field, there are less places to hide, its a small world and there will almost certainly be someone who knows someone, who knows your work ethic when one of these top places comes up, in a drone position it might be okay, but a business leader needs more thant hat.

    You may think that your being smart by working to rule, but I bet the top bosses in your work places didn’t get there like that, and that you won’t make it there either.

    I agree though that coasting and jumping around jobs is the best method for SHORT TERM max income for min effort.

    but each to thier own, I intend, and am well on the way to, the board of a FTSE 250 company and I'm still very young for it.

    You may get statistically better pay rises (which implies average), and that’s great if you’re average, I want to prove I’m far from average, and get to the top end pay rises, and that requires hard work and differentiating yourself from the crowd.
  • John1993_2
    John1993_2 Posts: 1,090 Forumite
    or the 3rd type.

    The person who takes on more work to get a head, and reaps the benefit when they get promoted much much faster than everyone else (I am this 3rd type).

    I love 9-5 people who work to rule, they do their jobs but are so much easier to fly past on the way up the ladder.

    This is something that I really don't get, people who say, in effect "I did the minimum that I'm contracted for, not a minute more. I came up with nothing innovative, never added any extra value, and did not go the extra mile at any point. Why am I not being promoted".
  • John1993_2
    John1993_2 Posts: 1,090 Forumite
    Denning. wrote: »
    Good for you. I play the odds. I work my contracted hours and get statistically larger promotions than you by moving company. Internal promotions are often poor and you will soon realise all those long hours have likely ended in a below market salary.

    Loyalty is for mugs, a company will get rid of you at a drop off a hat and not have a care in the world.

    You seem confused, or, as you accused someone else of recently, you seem to have comprehension problems. He didn't say he's loyal, he mentioned his choice of route to get ahead.

    Why invent things that people did not say, or mean, to argue with?

    I play a similar "game" to him, will you claim that I get "below market" salary, too, with equally little knowledge of what I earn?
  • SandC
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    I think the OPs point is nothing to do with the fact that she takes 15 mins for lunch, that's her business. But as she does that, there is no sense in having an unpaid official 1 hour lunch break that she doesn't use, especially if other people have a different contract in which they only have half an hour.

    It makes sense for OP to have the same contract as them, I'm sure the 2.5 hours extra pay is not make or break to her.

    I would certainly ask the question anyway, if you can be swapped. It may be that they say no purely on the basis that changing contracted hours requires paperwork and doubtless loads of signatures, but I would then have the back up of stating that the workload demands you need those extra 2.5 hours in the week anyway. It's always best to have a list of reasons why you are making the request and to make them appealing to the employer.
  • Humphrey10
    Humphrey10 Posts: 1,859 Forumite
    SandC wrote: »
    It may be that they say no purely on the basis that changing contracted hours requires paperwork and doubtless loads of signatures, but I would then have the back up of stating that the workload demands you need those extra 2.5 hours in the week anyway.
    I'd expect to be laughed out the office if I said "I am incapable of doing my job in the allocated time, so can you reward me by paying me more?".
  • SandC
    SandC Posts: 3,929 Forumite
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    I would agree with you Humphrey if this was just a request out of the blue based purely on the workload of the OP.

    But others have jobs which are 37.5 hours per week yet in the OPs case she is supposed to be able to do hers in 35, yet the roles are similar.
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