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Excel parking Fine

I have just received a parking fine from Excel for parking in the Peel Centre, Stockport. At first I thought it was a mistake as I saw no signs, nor payment stations. I have never used a retail park that required payment before so assumed this was the same. If I had known, I would have paid.
Reading previous threads, I realise I am one among many that this has happened to, but as the advice is to start one's own thread in order to receive the most recent and relevant information, I am hoping that someone can tell me the best way to proceed?

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  • zzzLazyDaisy
    zzzLazyDaisy Posts: 12,497 Forumite
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    You need to send an appeal to the parking company (PPC) within 28 days

    Here is a walk through of the process

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=63099617&postcount=2

    You should also complain to the landholder

    see this thread for success stories (and see post 3 on that thread for advice on how to make a successful complaint)

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4766249
    I'm a retired employment solicitor. Hopefully some of my comments might be useful, but they are only my opinion and not intended as legal advice.
  • Hi
    Thank you for the advice. Do you of anywhere I could get guidance as to how to word such an appeal. I don't have a clue what to include?
  • zzzLazyDaisy
    zzzLazyDaisy Posts: 12,497 Forumite
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    It doesn't much matter what you say in your first appeal to the parking company (PPC) as they will almost certainly reject your appeal.

    The object of appealing to the PPC is to get the magic code so you can appeal to POPLA, where you WILL win, provided you follow forum advice.

    As you did not see any signs, your best bet is to send them a short appeal based on signage and genuine pre-estimate of loss. However you do need to do the legwork for yourself. The first step is to READ the first link I gave you, read some recent threads, and draft a soft appeal (you will understand if you read the threads).

    When you have got that far, post your draft appeal here, and the regulars will help you finalise your appeal to the PPC.

    Daisy
    I'm a retired employment solicitor. Hopefully some of my comments might be useful, but they are only my opinion and not intended as legal advice.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 159,373 Forumite
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    edited 19 October 2013 at 5:17PM
    elle1205 wrote: »
    Hi
    Thank you for the advice. Do you of anywhere I could get guidance as to how to word such an appeal. I don't have a clue what to include?


    You'd find guidance if you read pretty much any other thread on this forum. As I said to another newbie, don't stay in 'splendid isolation' on your own little thread. :)

    You will also learn a lot more about this scam and what to expect next by reading other threads. Just don't bother to read the court claim threads (doesn't happen to those who appeal and win at POPLA). Go back to page one of the parking forum and put the single keyword 'Peel' into the 'search this forum' heading above the threads (to the right of 'forum tools'). Change the default search to 'show posts' not 'show threads'. Read the results!!

    I can give you a link for now which does actually show you examples of appeal wording but TBH you could have found this in minutes as I post it often on threads:

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=83749&st=0&gopid=874216

    There are DOZENS of Peel Centre threads you will find when you do that search. Some even have all their appeal wording, including POPLA appeal, for all to see.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Hi
    Actually I did read a lot of the threads but became somewhat confused by a range of sometimes conflicting suggestions and all the stuff about court appeals which can be a little alarming!
    So thanks for the advice about how to narrow it all down to what is relevant to me.
  • Ok I've done the reading and sent an appeal. They replied with an email insisting on the name of the driver! I assume I am safe to ignore this as a bluff?
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 44,216 Forumite
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    elle1205 wrote: »
    Ok I've done the reading and sent an appeal. They replied with an email insisting on the name of the driver! I assume I am safe to ignore this as a bluff?

    They have no right to ask you to name the driver - and you are under NO obligation to provide them with any such information. You must complain to the BPA (some cases have been dropped after such action). Copy the email they sent you with your complaint. Here's the email addy:

    steve.c@britishparking.co.uk
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    #Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Guys_Dad
    Guys_Dad Posts: 11,025 Forumite
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    Not safe to ignore. You write back, referring them to POFA, BPA and POPLA rules that allow the keeper to appeal.

    "Anyone can appeal such a parking charge notice providing they follow the process below. If you want someone to appeal on your behalf, such as a family member or friend, they can do so but there can only be one appeal for any one parking charge notice." http://www.popla.org.uk/makinganappeal.htm#whocan

    Inform them that if they do not either accept the appeal and cancel, they MUST supply you with a POPLA code. If they fail, then you will use that in any court action they may try to pursue.

    And, as advised, complain to BPA.
  • fisherjim
    fisherjim Posts: 7,111 Forumite
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    You could always reply that as the registered keeper you will supply the drivers name following receipt of their cheque for £70 to cover your admin costs!
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 159,373 Forumite
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    edited 26 October 2013 at 5:46PM
    elle1205 wrote: »
    Ok I've done the reading and sent an appeal. They replied with an email insisting on the name of the driver! I assume I am safe to ignore this as a bluff?


    So? You were expecting that one I hope. I already gave you this advice:

    You will also learn a lot more about this scam and what to expect next by reading other threads. Just don't bother to read the court claim threads (doesn't happen to those who appeal and win at POPLA). Go back to page one of the parking forum and put the single keyword 'Peel' into the 'search this forum' heading above the threads (to the right of 'forum tools'). Change the default search to 'show posts' not 'show threads'. Read the results!!


    So please forgive me if I ask on this really busy forum where we are stretched beyond belief, why were you not expecting that letter when you read about it on the other dozens of Excel and Peel Centre threads?

    Already covered on the other threads, shows how to respond, everything. 'Ignore?' YOU ASSUME COMPLETELY WRONG. Read other recent Excel threads, pleeeease.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
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