Boomtime: Britain bounces back....

gazter

Road_Hog wrote: »

Maybe not officially, there's many ways to fudge the figures, but the reality is that unemployment is rising, as is under employment and wages are stagnat at best and decreasing in many industries.

Open your eyes.

Hilarious "maybe not officially". You mean, you know better than the ONS and their direct access to the necessary information?

Here is the information from the Labour market briefing for september in my area ( a small county in the north of england).

JSA claimant count and rate: (non seasonally adjusted)
Sixth consecutive monthly fall. It is *16%* lower than this time last year.
Youth unemployment down *21.4%*.

National stats, over the last year number of people in work has increased by 275,000 (80,000 in the last quarter). Unemployment is down 105,000 in the year. Claimant count down by 168,000.

So lets just recap:

People in work increased by 275,000
Unemployment down 105,000
Unemployed and claiming down by 168,000.

Yet I am asked to 'open your eyes'.

Barn storming hilarious stuff.

Road_Hog

gazter wrote: »

So lets just recap:

People in work increased by 275,000
Unemployment down 105,000
Unemployed and claiming down by 168,000.

Yet I am asked to 'open your eyes'.

Barn storming hilarious stuff.

People in work increased because the national population has increased, nothing to do with tackling unemployment.

Unemployment is probably down, because some people have just dropped off of the radar, many are under employed, working part time of minimum hour contracts or the government has shifted them on to some scheme to get them off of the unemployment figures.

As I said, those claiming have probably just been shifted elsewhere in the figures. And the great majority of jobs being created are low paid service sector.

chucky

Road_Hog wrote: »

I was being cycnical with regards to what the government reports and the actual reality. If I remember correctly, you're not UK based. Forget government stats, in the real world inflation is above 5% and probably nearer to 10%.

Round "My Way", inflation isn't above 5% and definitely not nearer to 10%.

Instead of ranting on a forum why don't you show remember facts to prove that prices for people in the UK are increasing by 10% each year.

Fella

Road_Hog wrote: »

People in work increased because the national population has increased, nothing to do with tackling unemployment.

Wow that is truly one of the stupidest comments I've ever read! I never realised that each time a child is born a job is also magically created. Does the stork bring that too?

Road_Hog

Fella wrote: »

Wow that is truly one of the stupidest comments I've ever read! I never realised that each time a child is born a job is also magically created. Does the stork bring that too?

It's mainly from net immigration, not bith rates. The birth rate of the indigenous population is about 1.65, it needs to be around 2.10 to maintain the current population.

Loughton_Monkey

Fella wrote: »

Wow that is truly one of the stupidest comments I've ever read! I never realised that each time a child is born a job is also magically created. Does the stork bring that too?

Agreed. But the other stupid generalisation is often used in the context of immigration. You hear people saying something along the lines of ".... but take the Poles, they all came here to work. And they do. So they're adding to the economy and don't cost the taxpayer anything..."

This, again, is tantamount to saying that each Pole brought the job along with him!. He didn't! He has simply taken a job that an indigenous local could well have taken, but didn't (or wouldn't!).

IveSeenTheLight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Boomtime: Britain bounces back

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10372896/Boomtime-Britain-bounces-back.html

:beer:

To be honest, I personally have not been in a rush for this economy to recover.

I've been well placed to benefit since 2007

Loughton_Monkey

chucky wrote: »

Round "My Way", inflation isn't above 5% and definitely not nearer to 10%.

Instead of ranting on a forum why don't you show remember facts to prove that prices for people in the UK are increasing by 10% each year.

Well I'm in UK. Trouble is my gin was bought at Italian & French prices. If I don't get a chance to have another shopping trip before Christmas, my drinks cabinet is going to suffer 30% inflation or more!

Perhaps that's what Hoggie was referring to, or perhaps more accurately under the influence of....

.... talking of which, I am currently 100% sober and noticing that the sun has gone down over the yardarm. Over and out!

gazter

Road_Hog wrote: »

People in work increased because the national population has increased, nothing to do with tackling unemployment.

Unemployment is probably down, because some people have just dropped off of the radar, many are under employed, working part time of minimum hour contracts or the government has shifted them on to some scheme to get them off of the unemployment figures.

As I said, those claiming have probably just been shifted elsewhere in the figures. And the great majority of jobs being created are low paid service sector.

It's like watching a man sinking in quicksand trying to drag all he can.

When you typed what you typed did you feel your credibility dribble away with each key tap?

Fella

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Agreed. But the other stupid generalisation is often used in the context of immigration. You hear people saying something along the lines of ".... but take the Poles, they all came here to work. And they do. So they're adding to the economy and don't cost the taxpayer anything..."

This, again, is tantamount to saying that each Pole brought the job along with him!. He didn't! He has simply taken a job that an indigenous local could well have taken, but didn't (or wouldn't!).

Couldn't agree more & have argued that very point to people. It's massively disingenuous to claim that immigrants who work add to the economy when you're conveniently ignoring the million people who are claiming benefits instead of doing those jobs.

(which I know is exactly what you just said!)