Could my Jobseekers be sanctioned?

gay_guy

Just looking for some advice, in 2011 I was on a work placement provided by Jobcentre/Bootstrap however I was working in British Heart Foundation (charity shop) but a few days later into the work placement I was dismissed as I refused to remove my gay tshirt, but the lady who worked there told me to remove it as its not suitable for the placement, but the next day I still come in with the gay tshirt on so she phone bootstrap up and I got called in and I was dismissed.

Now this is worrying me because I believe DWP are sanction people now with the old rules who was dismissed or break the mandatory rules.

Could my JSA be sanctioned even though I was dismissed in 2011? I can't afford to be sanctioned due to me living on my own in my flat

When I got dismissed I didn't get any sanction towards my JSA.

Hope for some advice, thanks.

Regards
Shaun

Mr_Falling_Star

This again? It is almost like you want to be sanctioned lol

I think you are alright, the reason JCP are looking at old cases is due to a change in case law but I think 2011 is to far back. Of course the best way of never getting sanctioned is never to claim and to get a job so make that a priority.

gay_guy

Mr_Falling_Star wrote: »

This again? It is almost like you want to be sanctioned lol

I think you are alright, the reason JCP are looking at old cases is due to a change in case law but I think 2011 is to far back. Of course the best way of never getting sanctioned is never to claim and to get a job so make that a priority.

Are you having a laugh? I don't want to be sanctioned

Anyway that is what I am doing, I am trying to get into work as I apply for 5 - 7 jobs a day

bluenoseam

You were there to work, not to make any sociopolitical statements, thus your t-shirt was not only inappropriate, but grossly unprofessional. You were told that it wasn't appropriate, given the opportunity to remedy the situation & refused to comply with a reasonable request in a "workplace" - you were told your services were no longer required.

Let me break it down

You wore something which to some people in society is offensive
You REFUSED to change it, in the process earning yourself the boot

YOU got YOURSELF kicked out of a place of work for insubordination, lack of professionalism & inability to comply with a simple order - that's 3 things which can get you sanctioned. I get that you're proud of being gay & want people to know it, but here's a little food for thought for you - in the world of work you are there for THEIR purposes. You're not there to let everyone know of your orientation & how happy you are about it, you're there to follow THEIR rules, that's how it works. You deserved sanctioning in this case without shadow of a doubt, anyone with any intelligence could see that so stop avoiding the core of the issue & start correcting the problem.

Mr_Falling_Star

bluenoseam wrote: »

You were there to work, not to make any sociopolitical statements, thus your t-shirt was not only inappropriate, but grossly unprofessional. You were told that it wasn't appropriate, given the opportunity to remedy the situation & refused to comply with a reasonable request in a "workplace" - you were told your services were no longer required.

Let me break it down

You wore something which to some people in society is offensive
You REFUSED to change it, in the process earning yourself the boot

YOU got YOURSELF kicked out of a place of work for insubordination, lack of professionalism & inability to comply with a simple order - that's 3 things which can get you sanctioned. I get that you're proud of being gay & want people to know it, but here's a little food for thought for you - in the world of work you are there for THEIR purposes. You're not there to let everyone know of your orientation & how happy you are about it, you're there to follow THEIR rules, that's how it works. You deserved sanctioning in this case without shadow of a doubt, anyone with any intelligence could see that so stop avoiding the core of the issue & start correcting the problem.

I can agree with this and before anyone starts saying "Homophobe" probably the same would have happened had you gone in with a "straight and proud" T Shirt

poppellerant

gay_guy wrote: »

...a few days later into the work placement I was dismissed as I refused to remove my gay tshirt, but the lady who worked there told me to remove it as its not suitable for the placement, but the next day I still come in with the gay tshirt on so she phone bootstrap up and I got called in and I was dismissed.

You were explained the reason why you were told to remove the t-shirt. You went in the next with the same t-shirt, are dismissed and now you want our sympathy and advice?

Is there some reason you chose to wear the t-shirt? Is it the only clothing you have that you feel is suitable for the workplace? If so, speak with the jobcentre about funding for work clothes.

NiallB

gay_guy wrote: »

but a few days later into the work placement I was dismissed as I refused to remove the chip from my shoulder....

Fixed that for you.

Does the fact this has happened at least twice now not suggest that possibly it's your attitude, not the tshirt, that's the problem?

Johnnytwostep

Lets hope you are sanctioned.
They gave you the opportunity to not wear the t-shirt again,
you ignored it,
sanction appropriate.
No cause for moaning about it

Chester666666

I doubt it'll be a sanction for you

As for a chip on the shoulder etc comments - that is stupid and not helpful and is homophobic

I don't even get why a t-shirt is so bad, pandering to those who are "offended" by gay is just stupid as that is pandering to homophobia

I'd wear the t-shirt and more if someone claimed to be offended

fruitedeli

Chester666666 wrote: »

I doubt it'll be a sanction for you

As for a chip on the shoulder etc comments - that is stupid and not helpful and is homophobic

I don't even get why a t-shirt is so bad, pandering to those who are "offended" by gay is just stupid as that is pandering to homophobia

I'd wear the t-shirt and more if someone claimed to be offended

It's not called a chip on the shoulder. It's called work professionalism. You are not there to advertise your sexual orientation. You are there to work and wear appropriate work tire.

Be free to wear a gay pro t-shirt if you want. You'll get sacked and sanctioned from claiming jsa. That's how it is and there's nothing you can do about it.

Chester666666

fruitedeli wrote: »

It's not called a chip on the shoulder. It's called work professionalism. You are not there to advertise your sexual orientation. You are there to work and wear appropriate work tire.

Be free to wear a gay pro t-shirt if you want. You'll get sacked and sanctioned from claiming jsa. That's how it is and there's nothing you can do about it.

In a shop where people can wear what they want? So you'd condemn heteros for having wedding rings and talking about their other half as that's also advertising sexual orientation