Lack of Salary Increase, where does he stand...

pops5588

Funky_Bold_Ribena wrote: »

As far as I am aware and you will need to check the latest; if he hasn't got a specific signed clause/statement saying 'i will pay back 100% amount of training fees within one year/50% within two years' etc, then they can't take the money out of his earnings and can't claim it back at a later date. I'd have a look at his initial training contract and go through it line by line on this point. Find out if he ever signed anything to this end in the office.

Thanks FBR, great advice.

persa

I suggest you PM zzzLazyDaisy and ask her if she wouldn't mind taking a look at this thread. You now need a lawyer to comment, not an accountant!

Funky_Bold_Ribena

persa wrote: »

I suggest you PM zzzLazyDaisy and ask her if she wouldn't mind taking a look at this thread. You now need a lawyer to comment, not an accountant!

Who is an accountant? Apart from the OP's OH that is...

makeyourdaddyproud

Once you oh qualifies, why not start his own practice just like his boss did. That way, you can print your own money. Until then, put up with it.

Any

pops5588 wrote: »

*sigh*

It is always beyond me why, when so many others manage to give advice in such a frank and yet perfectly polite way, others choose to be needlessly rude.

Anyway. Will rise above it. Thanks for the suggestions and advice everyone. His boss is away for a week now anyway so he has some time to have a ponder and look around to see if there is any information anywhere.

For the record, he isn't trying to have his cake and eat it. Just wondering why he is slogging his guts doing the job of a manager as well as exams and studying for less than £17,000 a year. Not asking the world, just what's fair. We pay our way, don't claim any kind of benefits, work hard. Whatever you do some people will always look to criticise. Now that's what sounds like a real waste of time and energy to me...

Edit: Whoops, forgot to rise above it...

*sigh*

I wasn't being funny or rude in any way, I come from the industry and I was just telling you how it is. OR at least not trying to be rude.
The interpretation is just how you chose to interpret it - in the worse possible way. That is your prerogative.

I have raised some things that you just choose to ignore - if there is nothing in writing, then they cannot chase him for the money. Few people actually said that! It is his word against bosses word. If they didn't keep their side of the bargain, I personally wouldn't keep mine.
The boss knows this and as he is obviously valued employee (otherwise he wouldn't be given that level of responsibility) I would be surprised if he didn't give him the payrise if your OH pushed.

Unfortunately now a days it is "don't ask, don't get".

It seems you only came here to complain, but not actually take any advice on board... firstly your OH really needs to speak to them to know where he stands and whether to fight or jump the ship.

On £17k a year he really doesn't need to be frustrated and depressed. Even if there were repayment costs, there are firms out there that will pay it for him to get the right person on their books...

Perhaps time to contact an agent?

Funky_Bold_Ribena

Personally, if I had nothing to say I'd have to pay back my training costs; I'd stay until I qualified and then leave. Take what you can when it is offered to you.

pops5588

Any wrote: »

It seems you only came here to complain, but not actually take any advice on board... firstly your OH really needs to speak to them to know where he stands and whether to fight or jump the ship.

Not at all, I have taken on/will pass on to him plenty of the advice given (I can't do much in the space of half an hour). And if you read my OP you will see that I have already said to him that there is no point getting worked up about it to the point where he wants to leave when he hasn't even had the appraisal yet.

There are ways of saying things, and I'm afraid if you start using phrases like "having your cake and eating it" and "your OH needs to get some guts" then yes, I do take that personally and read that is being rude. No one else has done that. It is perfectly possible to be helpful without saying things like that.

ILW

I would suggest that until he actually asks for a rise, the whole thing is academic.

Any

pops5588 wrote: »

Not at all, I have taken on/will pass on to him plenty of the advice given (I can't do much in the space of half an hour). And if you read my OP you will see that I have already said to him that there is no point getting worked up about it to the point where he wants to leave when he hasn't even had the appraisal yet.

There are ways of saying things, and I'm afraid if you start using phrases like "having your cake and eating it" and "your OH needs to get some guts" then yes, I do take that personally and read that is being rude. No one else has done that. It is perfectly possible to be helpful without saying things like that.

Sorry, I don't see them as that.

Let's say it differently then:
"You OH needs to collect some courage and ask for what is his due"
and
"you need to see this from their perspective too.. Training contract require input/cost/effort from employer too, it is not meant to be just one way street".

Though now you said he gets £17k... well, that is rather little. But then we don't know if he gets time off for exams etc as well.. that makes a difference again.

You said the boss doesn't want to have official appraisal. That suggests he knows your OH will take up the issue of payrise and is avoiding it.
There is no other way then to go in. Appraisal or not.

Unless of course he waits until he is fully qualified and jumps the ship then.. But it will be 12 mths of misery.

persa

pops5588 wrote: »

Not at all, I have taken on/will pass on to him plenty of the advice given (I can't do much in the space of half an hour). And if you read my OP you will see that I have already said to him that there is no point getting worked up about it to the point where he wants to leave when he hasn't even had the appraisal yet.

There are ways of saying things, and I'm afraid if you start using phrases like "having your cake and eating it" and "your OH needs to get some guts" then yes, I do take that personally and read that is being rude. No one else has done that. It is perfectly possible to be helpful without saying things like that.

Perhaps you don't get on with Any's posting style, but I'd try to look past that and at the substance of her comments instead. Like me, she works as an accountant, and therefore knows what sort of crap is deemed normal for this profession. It's always useful to hear from someone who has been through the same experience.

I understand you're trying to support your stressed out OH, but we're all trying to help!