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Hope no-one trusted POPLA to be independent
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peter_the_piper
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http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/popla-caught-secretly-coaching-parking.html
Draw your own conclusions.
Draw your own conclusions.
I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.
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I am obliged to conclude that this amounts to double-dealing. On the basis of this and Nick Lester nonsense I am of the opinion that the BPA Ltd can no longer maintain the fiction that POPLA is in any way independent.My very sincere apologies for those hoping to request off-board assistance but I am now so inundated with requests that in order to do justice to those "already in the system" I am no longer accepting PM's and am unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future (August 2016).
For those seeking more detailed advice and guidance regarding small claims cases arising from private parking issues I recommend that you visit the Private Parking forum on PePiPoo.com0 -
Its like giving a housebreaking seminar to cat burglars.
So its complaint to DVLA, min of transport? MP?I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.0 -
It never was, it is a kangaroo court that should be IGNORED along with the scam artists it represents.
Directing people to it give it legitimacy, strengthens it's position and runs the risk of legislation amendments making its decision final.
It takes no notice of law and uses a set of guidelines drawn up by a bunch of wheel clampers as its law for its decisions.
Private parking companies should be ignored and hit head on in court where and when they try it on and every avenue of appeal be explored until it becomes case law.
It will not bankrupt parking companies and the amount of bed-wetting spouted on here to people who get a fake ticket is just what they want.
Most will read this lot and pay straight up.Be happy...;)0 -
I have always questioned popla and the fact it's user unfriendly. But to suggest to ignore it completely is not an option when the likes of parking eye and cel are issuing claims. The fact is that the judges there are inconsistent and people will only win about 50% of the time. They also must attend personally.
With Popla at least you can appeal there and with help get cancelled, and this is where popla goes wrong, why the hell do people need to get almost legal advice and must appeal on points of law? This is supposed to make things easier for motorists, its far from that.
I really think that these companies have no legal right to even exist, all of them should be liquidated, and the people running these companies and the bpa should be done for fraud. The proceeds of their crimes should be used to compensate payers. I contend that there is no need for these vermin, or anything that resembles them.When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
:beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:0 -
The chief adjudicator in the annual report commented that forum advice was wrong. Yet this forum advice has a 100% success rate and common sense fails.
POPLA will eventually teach the ppc's how to win but until then we carry on.0 -
This is not a surprise. Did no-one notice the assessor coaching ParkingEye in the course of giving reasons for a recent upheld appeal?
The estimate must be based upon loss flowing from a breach of the parking terms. This might be, for example, loss of parking revenue or even loss of retail revenue at a shopping centre.
So there you have it in the assessor's own words: if a PPC states loss of revenue, PoPLA will accept that.
I'm beginning to feel that using PoPLA is akin to begging Highview to give you a PoPLA code: it's humiliating, it's kow-towing to scum, and it affords them a legitimacy to which they are not entitled.
As I recently said on another thread:
What you are forgetting is that this entire "industry" is based on a colossal lie: that any of these charges is legitimate and enforceable. The BPA, with the connivance of the DfT, tries to cover the Big Lie with a veneer of authenticity, and PoPLA is merely part of that veneer. It's nice to help the odd individual get a PPC monkey off their back using PoPLA, but fundamentally the existence of PoPLA is hugely counter-productive because it contributes to the cover-up of the Big Lie.
You can see this in the situation whereby PoPLA allows individual appeals on the basis of failure to demonstrate a loss, when PoPLA knows, the BPA knows, the DVLA knows, the DfT knows, the ICO knows and WE know that this fatal flaw applies to every single damn ticket issued. Farcical? it's positively Orwellian.Je suis Charlie.0 -
What would bring the whole house of cards down is if everyone ignored the parking companies completely, don't pay anything, don't accept anything.When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
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Isn't that the old advice before some of them started issuing court papers?What would bring the whole house of cards down is if everyone ignored the parking companies completely, don't pay anything, don't accept anything.
Another thing that concerns me about this POPLA is that their attitude is "you fail to appeal in our time limit, tough biscuits, that's it".
Sounds like it's run by a bunch of Communists.0 -
MothballsWallet wrote: »Isn't that the old advice before some of them started issuing court papers?
Another thing that concerns me about this POPLA is that their attitude is "you fail to appeal in our time limit, tough biscuits, that's it".
Sounds like it's run by a bunch of Communists.
Surely not, it's London Councils
Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .
I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street0
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