Not Paid Overtime for Saturdays

Daedalus

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

In salaried contracts it normally says something like 'your normal hours of work are monday to friday 9am to 5pm but you are required to work such additional hours as the needs of the business dictates'.... that means ALL hours worked are contracted hours.

No it doesn't, it means that the contracted hours are 40 (breaks) hours a week, anything more than that is overtime, and unless stated otherwise, will be unpaid overtime.

My contract states 9-5:30, with the reasonable business needs clause, I still received overtime payment, how can I received the latter if I am working my contracted hours under the former?

AP007

Daedalus wrote: »

That makes no difference, if you work more than the contracted hours you are working overtime. You will find companies like to deny the existence of many things.

That's if you are stupid enough to do 'overtime'

Daedalus

AP007 wrote: »

That's if you are stupid enough to do 'overtime'

I used to work with a lady with an attitude like that, her temporary contract wasn't renewed despite being understaffed, she is still unemployed. True story.

AP007

Daedalus wrote: »

I used to work with a lady with an attitude like that, her temporary contract wasn't renewed despite being understaffed, she is still unemployed. True story.

Attitude? I believe you should get paid for all hours worked.


I have been in work from 1987 till when I lost my last job - all full time permanent roles never sacked or walked out and never worked at a company who even did 'overtime'

You do overtime UNPAID for one of a few reasons

Two much work and not enough people to do it

Or the individual who is working extra can not do the job therefore has to work extra hours to catch up

getzls

notanewuser wrote: »

Couple of months? The OP started YESTERDAY!!!

The job's so bad it feels like months.:D

Croatoan

Daedalus wrote: »

I used to work with a lady with an attitude like that, her temporary contract wasn't renewed despite being understaffed, she is still unemployed. True story.

I was somebody who had that attitude once. So I left and got another job where I used to negotiate my own overtime. If I didn't want to do it I didn't. If I did I told them I'll do it for double or treble time and not the flat rate they offered. Depending on how much they needed someone to stay, more often than not I got it. If I didn't, I didn't do the overtime.
It works both ways.

whitewing

A few years ago, I worked in an admin job that paid time and a fifth on Saturdays and time and a half on Sundays. Gradually they phased that out, starting with the new contracts on people joining the company. The same happened with my husband's place of work.

Both companies are open from early in the morning to late at night.

It seems to be the norm round here now to pay a set hourly rate regardless of how antisocial the hours used to be. There are enough people who want to work flexibly and part time to not need to incentivise further.

If you negotiate a higher salary to take into account Saturday working, just try and agree a higher salary rather than anytime linked to Saturday. Otherwise they may agree it but then remove it a bit further down the line.

jacques_chirac

Croatoan wrote: »

I was somebody who had that attitude once. So I left and got another job where I used to negotiate my own overtime. If I didn't want to do it I didn't. If I did I told them I'll do it for double or treble time and not the flat rate they offered. Depending on how much they needed someone to stay, more often than not I got it. If I didn't, I didn't do the overtime.
It works both ways.

In the current market, it definitely does not work both ways! Try negotiating with an employer that could find someone to fill your role instantly - you're not going to get very far.

Croatoan

jacques_chirac wrote: »

In the current market, it definitely does not work both ways! Try negotiating with an employer that could find someone to fill your role instantly - you're not going to get very far.

They could have filled my role instantly then, but didn't. I was good at my job but hardly irreplaceable. Recruiting, inducting, training all costs money then as now. It was clearly a pragmatic move on their part. Too many companies just love to scare their workforce into putting up with sub-standard treatment, and sadly too many people feel they're forced to put up with it.

AP007

Croatoan wrote: »

I was somebody who had that attitude once. So I left and got another job where I used to negotiate my own overtime. If I didn't want to do it I didn't. If I did I told them I'll do it for double or treble time and not the flat rate they offered. Depending on how much they needed someone to stay, more often than not I got it. If I didn't, I didn't do the overtime.
It works both ways.

But LOTS of place do not pay and there is the problem. Unpaid overtime is a benefit to the employer not to he poor sod doing it.