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There was a report published not too long back stating that too many were going to uni.
Lambasting everyone for not working harder is poor really.
The economy needs balance. It needs low end workers just as much as it needs high end workers.
Theres simply no scope in the economy for everyone to be earning higher wages.0 -
This conversation stemmed from this comment..Getting a better paying job, just means you are paying more taxes and have more to lose as the global financial crisis worsens over the next few years.
Most people are able to improve their lot and if they earn more they'll have more disposable income.
We don't need to worry all of a sudden finding ourselves with a shortage of 'low end' workers because, as we know, many people choose not to improve their circumstances preferring instead to blame others.
We see the same extreme argument trying to play down the benefits of education on lifetime earnings potential which goes along the lines of "well what would happen if we all had degrees?" like that's ever going to happen.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »There was a report published not too long back stating that too many were going to uni.
Lambasting everyone for not working harder is poor really.
The economy needs balance. It needs low end workers just as much as it needs high end workers.
Theres simply no scope in the economy for everyone to be earning higher wages.
Its a good job then that the global financial crisis is getting worse and worse until it collapses and is reset. It will bring balance the wealthy have more to lose than the poor.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »As you say if you can increase your income then I do not see a problem paying a fair share of additional taxation. Indirect taxation does hut those on the lowest incomes disproportionately. For some they may not do what they like with it, they will just pay it out on the next necessity of life.
Even with indirect taxation the point is still valid, you have more income to buy the next necessity of life. Better that than not having the money in the first place and not be able to buy that 'necessity of life'.
I'm not sure what your point is to be honest, are you agreeing with the poster's view that getting a better paid job just means you pay more taxes and have more to lose in a financial crisis?grizzly1911 wrote: »
Easier said than done for many and not just because they aren't willing. Getting one "decent" job would be start.
It does beggar the question of who would do the basic jobs if everyone unskilled and got the better jobs. Presumably there only a certain number of good jobs so increased competition would lead to fall out somewhere else.
I am not endorsing a layabout/scrounge culture but choice and opportunity are limited, for all sorts of reasons, for good chunks of our society, well educated or not.
Again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, I said " if people can work then they should work." Do you disagree with that statement?0 -
It will bring balance the wealthy have more to lose than the poor.
That is the reason you will be waiting a very long time for your prophecy."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Its a good job then that the global financial crisis is getting worse and worse until it collapses and is reset. It will bring balance the wealthy have more to lose than the poor.
Actually, it seems the reverse is true and that the gap between the wealthy and the poor is actually increasing in this GFC.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »There was a report published not too long back stating that too many were going to uni.
Lambasting everyone for not working harder is poor really.
The economy needs balance. It needs low end workers just as much as it needs high end workers.
Theres simply no scope in the economy for everyone to be earning higher wages.
I would argue that it makes sense on the same grounds that it makes sense to build more prison spaces to hold more criminals; however it might make more sense to tackle the causes of criminality and decrease re-offending.
The same is true of education and work. Yes we had a shortage of jobs at graduate level (though not chronic) so having less graduates would 'solve it'; however, working out how to attract more graduate level employment to the country would also solve it and would increase incomes, tax collected etc as well.
It's easy to make blanket statements about how we need low wage workers as well. On a very simplistic level it is true, but it was also true 200 years ago when the proportion of high wage jobs was a fraction of what it is today
If we are paying someone to do non-skilled work at a low, but living, wage in the UK then we are subsidising the work either by higher prices or more government spending. It isn't good for the economy long term.Having a signature removed for mentioning the removal of a previous signature. Blackwhite bellyfeel double plus good...0 -
OffGridLiving wrote: »
I'm not sure what your point is to be honest, are you agreeing with the poster's view that getting a better paid job just means you pay more taxes and have more to lose in a financial crisis?
Again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, I said " if people can work then they should work." Do you disagree with that statement?
No I am not agreeing with the poster but you seem to have a simplistic view that increasing income leads to roses in the garden.OffGridLiving wrote: »
Again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, I said " if people can work then they should work." Do you disagree with that statement?
Nothing wrong with your statement, I suggest you re-read mine.
I am not quite sure why you feel the need for pedanticism on an informal discussion site."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
If we are paying someone to do non-skilled work at a low, but living, wage in the UK then we are subsidising the work either by higher prices or more government spending. It isn't good for the economy long term.
I agree with your post but surely the problem with the last point is that some non/low skilled work will always need to be done in the UK. We can't export all these jobs, they need a physical presence here.
As more peeps only do the high skill/value work they often create more of a need for low skill assistance to mop up the stuff they don't want to do, can't do, haven't the time to do."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »No I am not agreeing with the poster but you seem to have a simplistic view that increasing income leads to roses in the garden.
I didn't say that increasing income leads to roses in the garden, I implied that it makes life a little easier and as you don't agree with the poster I assume you agree with me.grizzly1911 wrote: »I am not quite sure why you feel the need for pedanticism on an informal discussion site.
I'm not trying to be pedantic. We're both making an effort to post and exchange views, I'm just trying to make sure that I understand your viewpoint. I wanted to check that we weren't at cross-purposes in our discussion. From your responses it's clear that we same to hold the same basic view that it is worth earning more money if you can, despite taxation and we hold the same view that those who can work, should work. We are in accord.
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