Wrongly assigned mobile phone contract - won't cancel it

ValHaller

Slowhand wrote: »

Monkey means what? It was clearly used as an abusive term by the OP.

Abusive? Yes. I did not miss the abusive nature of the comment. But I don't think it is unreasonably abusive.

Slowhand

ValHaller wrote: »

Abusive? Yes. I did not miss the abusive nature of the comment. But I don't think it is unreasonably abusive.

Do you really understand what calling a person a monkey means?

ValHaller

Slowhand wrote: »

Do you really understand what calling a person a monkey means?

It can mean a lot of things. It has been around a long time in terms like 'monkey metal'. I am understanding it in the terms I have always understood it. As wikipedia tells us:

A monkey is a primate of the Haplorrhini suborder and simian infraorder, either an Old World monkey or a New World monkey, but excluding apes and humans.

Which makes it fairly useful as a term of abuse.

What meaning would best support the offence you are taking? It seems that there is some kind of offence creep in progress here. Soon we will run out of words of abuse if people don't like a word and decide to attach ever more degrees of offence to the use of it. Then we will run out of ordinary words as they are pressed into service as terms of abuse.

As I see it, the use of the term is far less harmful than the contract abuse from Orange.

Slowhand

What else can it mean? Give the full meaning please.

ValHaller

Slowhand wrote: »

What else can it mean? Give the full meaning please.

Refer to #25. You are the one who seems to think it is too abusive to be used as a term of abuse. So perhaps you should be explaining what you see as the problem.

ThumbRemote

Slowhand wrote: »

What else can it mean? Give the full meaning please.

What a stupid question. Since you're the one who has a problem with it, why not tell us what you think it means.

Given that monkey is a generic term for an unskilled person (see code monkey) I think it's quite an apt description for someone who has messed up.

Slowhand

The use of the word 'monkey'as a term of abuse has racial abuse connotations. You may not be thinking it but that's the way it is.

Slowhand

ThumbRemote wrote: »

What a stupid question. Since you're the one who has a problem with it, why not tell us what you think it means.

Given that monkey is a generic term for an unskilled person (see code monkey) I think it's quite an apt description for someone who has messed up.

Making monkey sounds and throwing bananas onto football pitches is an apt description for what?
Like it or not the use of the word 'monkey' can have a racial element to it.

Gloomendoom

Slowhand wrote: »

Making monkey sounds and throwing bananas onto football pitches is an apt description for what?
Like it or not the use of the word 'monkey' can have a racial element to it.

Nobody is making monkey sounds and throwing bananas onto football pitches.

In the context of this thread, the word 'monkey' has no racial element to it at all.

esuhl

I would ask Orange (in writing by recorded delivery, keeping a copy for yourself) for a copy of the call recording where the contract was established, as well as a copy of any other relevant correspondence they may have sent to make you aware of the fact that you were entering a 2 year contract.

If they cannot do this, then it is simply your word against theirs... So they don't have a leg to stand on. I'd insist that they either drop the case or take it to court, and if the debt is pursued, you will sue them for harassment or take any other means of legal recourse that may be open to you.

But I wouldn't say that without a quick bit of research to double-check first!