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Boris: Quitting EU won't solve our problems
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Graham_Devon wrote: »Do you not get embarrased by yourself?
Nope.
I consider it my duty to continue to expose the true nature of UKIP. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant.
And quit the forumonics please.0 -
I am confused now, so Mr Prickle could still use his Slovak plumber if we pulled out of the EU?
On the basis there probably aren't enough "UK" plumbers any-more then yes as it would be trade in demand. That is until we shoehorned some people of the unemployed list and trained them up. Otherwise those unemployed can just sit on the shelf waiting for that next high value industry to take off, acting as a dead weight to the economy. there are only so many "poundland" vacancies."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Because you say so?
No because they say so!UKIP calls for an end to the age of mass, uncontrolled immigration.Graham_Devon wrote: »I thought I'd get better responses from you tbh.
Better than what? Understanding UKIP's policies and stating what they are? That's all I've done.
UKIP have a lot in common with me ideologically or so they claim. I'd love to have a Libertarian party have a genuine input into the political debate in the UK.Graham_Devon wrote: »The party will NEVER take power. They seek to CHANGE politics and push their reforms through. They will be irrelevant come a referendum. Why do people keep assumning they have to take power? To form the basis of an argument?
I didn't assume they'd take power but if you stand in a seat then you'd probably be looking to win that seat.Graham_Devon wrote: »They want a cap of 50,000 placed on immigration and immigration to be based on bringing skills in to the country.
Net or gross? If that's gross then the UK would be FUBAR'd.
According to the Guardian gross immigration was 600,000 people. UKIP, it seems, wants to cut immigration by about 92%.Graham_Devon wrote: »Much like Australia.
Nothing like Australia.
Australia has immigration policies that I don't agree with, although I have benefited from them personally.Graham_Devon wrote: »What's so wrong with that? The Slovak mentioned would still be able to come here, so long as he has something to offer, which he did. No problems.
Not if 92% of immigrants have been excluded. If that was the case then there's a pretty good chance that our Slovakian friend would have been turned away at Dover.0 -
Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »Nope.
I consider it my duty to continue to expose the true nature of UKIP. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant.
And quit the forumonics please.
I have no issue with that.
But you are not exposing the true nature.
They clearly state they want an immigration cap, much like Australia.
What you are "exposing" is that they want to end immigration full sotp. That's not exposing their true requirements. It's simply making stuff up.
The picture you posted up clearly states "end to open door policy" right above the picture. You can't simply ignore that as it doesn't suit what you want to show. Well....you can, but it does make your points look a little silly.0 -
Net or gross? If that's gross then the UK would be FUBAR'd.
Net immigration.
Which I would have thought you would have known making such statements.
You are making some bold statements, and then asking if their immigration policy is net or gross, which, as you state, is a pretty major factor in stuff.
It seems odd for people (not just you) to be making such bold statements, but not even knowing the basic facts.
You've listed all the stuff that would be wrong with having a gross immigration policy, which people may now read and think "oh, UKIP do sound a bit silly then" and assume what you have said is true and real.
It's not. My issue isn't with peoples political leanings, it's about exactly this....not understanding what UKIP are saying and making a statement about UKIP based on false assumptions.0 -
Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »Yes, I suppose even you can come up with several interpretations of "Sorry we're full".
It actually says "Sorry, we're are full".
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Net or gross? If that's gross then the UK would be FUBAR'd.
The UK is FUBAR full stop. I guess it just depends to what degree.
Why do AUS have strict entry criteria that flexes on need, particularly on a chosen skill bases? More so when you have to provide for so much more yourself."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »The UK is FUBAR full stop. I guess it just depends to what degree.
Why do AUS have strict entry criteria that flexes on need, particularly on a chosen skill bases? More so when you have to provide for so much more yourself.
This is the thing. Howcome the Aussies can do it all and not be classed as racists and xenophobes?
If someone could genuinely answer that....that would be a start!0 -
Which only shows they're liars or idiots. If net immigration could be capped, it would have been done.Graham_Devon wrote: »Net immigration.
But we don't know how many Brits are leaving, and how many of those will come back. And of the foreigners who come in, we don't know how many will go home again (most do).
Net immigration is the sort of statistic you can make a rough estimate of from census returns 20 years later.
The only thing we can put a cap on is the number of visas issued."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
They are. But our immigration criteria are already stricter than theirs.Graham_Devon wrote: »Howcome the Aussies can do it all and not be classed as racists and xenophobes?
Your problem is that EU nationals aren't reckoned as immigrants. That's because we're in the EU."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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