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Boris: Quitting EU won't solve our problems
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
As we are all Europeans, and able to move freely for work or residence throughout Europe, then the free movement of labour ensures that supply and demand for tradesmen are in equilibrium and a fair market price is set.
!!!!!! is this!? That's got to be one of your worst statements so far.
A carpenter doesn't come here because he can earn 20p an hour more. (or whatever it is).
It's all about everything else our country offers.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »It's all about everything else our country offers.
Like what?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Interesting way to describe, for example tradesmen who have been undercut and priced out of work by masses of Eastern European Migrants.
That only happened in Daily Mail land, not the real world. If you want to make people angry blame immigrants. If you are rubbish at your job, rip your customers off or your business if failing blame foreigners.0 -
I'm not even gonna bother answering, as you'll use the same data that several of us have showed you is wrong several times over pn several of these threads to argue against it.
It's simply become groundhog day. You have started 2 new threads and simply state exactly the same things. You ask questions which you have set answers for regardless of whats said. How do I know? It's been done too many times. You either ignore everything said and quote a single line, or you twist whats said to suit your pre-prepared response.0 -
Interesting way to describe, for example tradesmen who have been undercut and priced out of work by masses of Eastern European Migrants.
Weren't you saying something the other day about thinking your statements through?
I've worked with Eastern Europeans and have employed British and Eastern European Tradesmen, plus a couple of British youngsters in my field.
The middle aged British tradesmen think they can get away with shoddy work and a sh*t work ethic. Oddly their younger and older British counterparts don't have this attitude just like their foreign counterparts. In regards to charging they all charge the same. *
There are plenty of Eastern Europeans especially inside cities like London who are in relationships with, married to and have children with people from other nationalities including Brits. They are going no-where and they are also charging the same as British tradesmen.
*Or maybe I carefully select tradesmen who don't undercut each other.I'm not cynical I'm realistic
(If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)0 -
DELETED USER wrote:That only happened in Daily Mail land, not the real world. If you want to make people angry blame immigrants. If you are rubbish at your job, rip your customers off or your business if failing blame foreigners.
No - it happened in the real world. it came about because of Government policy.0 -
I've worked with Eastern Europeans and have employed British and Eastern European Tradesmen, plus a couple of British youngsters in my field.
The middle aged British tradesmen think they can get away with shoddy work and a sh*t work ethic. Oddly their younger and older British counterparts don't have this attitude just like their foreign counterparts. In regards to charging they all charge the same. *
There are plenty of Eastern Europeans especially inside cities like London who are in relationships with, married to and have children with people from other nationalities including Brits. They are going no-where and they are also charging the same as British tradesmen.
*Or maybe I carefully select tradesmen who don't undercut each other.
Don't let reality intrude on his carefully crafted rhetoric....;)“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Unfortunately I can't help it.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Don't let reality intrude on his carefully crafted rhetoric....;)I'm not cynical I'm realistic
(If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)0 -
That is rubbish and only works if everything else is equalised.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Well it's pretty simple.
As we are all Europeans, and able to move freely for work or residence throughout Europe, then the free movement of labour ensures that supply and demand for tradesmen are in equilibrium and a fair market price is set.
You want to reduce the supply of Labour, creating an artificial scarcity, the same as if you banned Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish tradesmen.0 -
So was everything rosy before the Europeans arrived?
Doesn't seem all that long ago that the plumbing trade in particular was quite notorious for exploiting its scarcity to rip off customers. Even the Daily Mail was scandalised. Have we forgotten already? Or have we decided that was better? Are the poor British plumbers who're now getting all the sympathy the same ones we used to condemn as greedy grasping sharks?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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