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krustylouise

Newyorkdreams wrote: »

Hi KL - I didn't want to read your post and not post a wee reply. I can't offer much in the way of solutions for you but I just wanted to offer a virtual hug and let you know in a weird cyber space way (because I don't actually know you) that I'm thinking of you! You sound like you have had a lot to deal with in your life and this will have made you stronger than you realise. Getting it out on the site is cathartic!!! I too suffered panic attacks and anxiety when I was in my early 20's and it was horrendous. I couldn't drive, go on public transport and hated being in crowds.

I hope tomorrow is a brighter day for you! God bless you.

NYD xxx

Thank you so much for you reply I do appreciate it. Panic attacks are awful aren't they? It got so bad I couldn't drive at one point and this lasted a long time and to be honest I still won't drive far.

I started having pa's when I was 11 but didn't know what they were I just had this severe "I'm not me I'm just watching myself feeling" and it put the fear of god in me.

Thank you again and I hope you are well and in a much better place?

nat21luv

Oh krusty! I've been there its not a place I would wish on anybody. I was a single parent, lost my job, lost the car, lost my flat, had no money to feed us (I would usually go hungry so my son could eat) and I became very depressed. I would shut myself away in my flat and became paranoid that everyone outside knew I didn't have a job or money so rarely went outside other than to do the school run. That was a tough time, no heating and a damp 'flat' (more like a room) I would regularly ask my sons family to have him for the night as I said the boiler was broken so no heating, that made me sleep easier knowing he would be fed and warm but the long, cold nights were so lonely, I've never been so low.

I started thinking positively, Law of Attraction stuff, all that think rich and you will be rich. Took a looooong time to override the negative thought but I'm nearly there and my life couldn't be better. This site is a god send, literally spend all day trawling through the reclaiming section, perhaps your owed tax you didn't know about? Do you have money for food or a printer?

Newyorkdreams

krustylouise wrote: »

Thank you so much for you reply I do appreciate it. Panic attacks are awful aren't they? It got so bad I couldn't drive at one point and this lasted a long time and to be honest I still won't drive far.

I started having pa's when I was 11 but didn't know what they were I just had this severe "I'm not me I'm just watching myself feeling" and it put the fear of god in me.

Thank you again and I hope you are well and in a much better place?

Hi KL - yes, I'm much better now, thank you. I haven't had a PA or depression probably now for about 7 years. My life is in a good place right now, lol, she says £50K in debt! But I have had some tough experiences myself and I know that at the end of the day, as long as I and my DH have our health then debt cannot destroy us.

My goodness, having PAs must have been very scary as an 11 year old. I know how frightening it is as an adult but to have those but as a child it must be terrible. I know exactly what you mean about the 'watching yourself' feeling! I refer to it like being in a bubble and everything is a bit surreal. I was at university when I started getting them so I took advantage and made an appointment with the Head of Psychology to talk through what they were as I had no idea!!! He explained that PA's were our bodies way of reacting to to much adrenaline (caused by stress), so in order to get better, I had to ensure that I provided a release for the adrenaline. With me, when I was stressed this led to depression and then poor diet, no exercise, negative thoughts and the cycle continued. So I built in exercise and healthy eating (even though I had no motivation or interest) in order to release the build up of adrenaline (think cave men hunting big animals - we still have those prehistoric body reactions to too much adrenaline but it's caused by stress not fear and we don't have to hunt animals so we need to find other ways of letting it out!) I've done quite a bit of research on this over the years and know my triggers. As soon as I start getting negative thoughts about myself, I know it's a trigger to do something about it. My anxiety, if it persists for more than a few days, most often not leads to stress which leads to depression which leads to a whole host of uncomfortable and scary experiences including PA. So my thinking is, that I need to do something to 'nip it in the bud' so to speak by taking positive action. Sometimes, this is not enough and medical intervention, of course, is necessary but there is no shame in that, in fact, I consider it to be a mature and positive step to take responsibility for getting better.

Sorry for rambling but I feel passionate about the subject and in helping others!

I'm glad my previous post helped you a little bit and I did wake up thinking of you this morning!!!

Take care and keep up the fight! Together, we can destroy debtdemon!!!!

NYD xxx

Newyorkdreams

nat21luv wrote: »

Oh krusty! I've been there its not a place I would wish on anybody. I was a single parent, lost my job, lost the car, lost my flat, had no money to feed us (I would usually go hungry so my son could eat) and I became very depressed. I would shut myself away in my flat and became paranoid that everyone outside knew I didn't have a job or money so rarely went outside other than to do the school run. That was a tough time, no heating and a damp 'flat' (more like a room) I would regularly ask my sons family to have him for the night as I said the boiler was broken so no heating, that made me sleep easier knowing he would be fed and warm but the long, cold nights were so lonely, I've never been so low.

I started thinking positively, Law of Attraction stuff, all that think rich and you will be rich. Took a looooong time to override the negative thought but I'm nearly there and my life couldn't be better. This site is a god send, literally spend all day trawling through the reclaiming section, perhaps your owed tax you didn't know about? Do you have money for food or a printer?

Hi Nat - your post really humbled me. I just wanted to let you know that and congratulations to you for what you have achieved. It's inspriring. More than a quarter of British children live in poverty but you don't really know what that means until you have been there. It must have been so difficult for you. It has made me realise how much that I actually had as a child (my parents didn't have much money). Thank you.

NYD x

Trajal

Don't feel bad about the anxiety thing guys, it happens to all of us.

I regularly exercise, eat well and am even debt free now but I still suffer from the odd panic attack.

The doctor gives me a prescription for something which blocks the adrenalin that NYD discussed. Works a treat, I just take a tablet as and when I need them, very low dosage.

May be worth having a chat about them with your doc if it is causing you a lot of problems, for me these were a miracle pill and have had a profound and positive effect on my life.

Newyorkdreams

Trajal wrote: »

Don't feel bad about the anxiety thing guys, it happens to all of us.

I regularly exercise, eat well and am even debt free now but I still suffer from the odd panic attack.

The doctor gives me a prescription for something which blocks the adrenalin that NYD discussed. Works a treat, I just take a tablet as and when I need them, very low dosage.

May be worth having a chat about them with your doc if it is causing you a lot of problems, for me these were a miracle pill and have had a profound and positive effect on my life.

Hi Trajal - hope you don't mind me asking, but what's the name of the medication? I have never been offered anything other than Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT) which is fantastic and anti-depressants, but this is possibly because by the time I get to the doc, I am already depressed rather than anxious (or both).

I don't let the anxiety thing control me anymore, whereas I feel in the past that it did.

NYD

Trajal

Yeah they offered me CBT also but I don't really have the time.

I would never have taken anti-depressants, an ex of mine once took SSRI's and they turned her into a zombie lol.

I take a low dosage beta blocker - 10mg tablets of 'Propranolol'.

It basically lowers your heart rate a bit and blocks that adrenalin rush. Works fantastically well for me, I started off on 2-3 a day depending on need and over the last year or two have slowed down using them to maybe once a week if I start to get anxious or stressed.

krustylouise

nat21luv wrote: »

Oh krusty! I've been there its not a place I would wish on anybody. I was a single parent, lost my job, lost the car, lost my flat, had no money to feed us (I would usually go hungry so my son could eat) and I became very depressed. I would shut myself away in my flat and became paranoid that everyone outside knew I didn't have a job or money so rarely went outside other than to do the school run. That was a tough time, no heating and a damp 'flat' (more like a room) I would regularly ask my sons family to have him for the night as I said the boiler was broken so no heating, that made me sleep easier knowing he would be fed and warm but the long, cold nights were so lonely, I've never been so low.

I started thinking positively, Law of Attraction stuff, all that think rich and you will be rich. Took a looooong time to override the negative thought but I'm nearly there and my life couldn't be better. This site is a god send, literally spend all day trawling through the reclaiming section, perhaps your owed tax you didn't know about? Do you have money for food or a printer?

Thanks Nat,

Anyone that knows me I'm not the most positive of people, always preparing for the worst etc. have previously sought counselling for this. Yes I have money for food and have access to a printer at work.

krustylouise

Newyorkdreams wrote: »

Hi KL - yes, I'm much better now, thank you. I haven't had a PA or depression probably now for about 7 years. My life is in a good place right now, lol, she says £50K in debt! But I have had some tough experiences myself and I know that at the end of the day, as long as I and my DH have our health then debt cannot destroy us.

My goodness, having PAs must have been very scary as an 11 year old. I know how frightening it is as an adult but to have those but as a child it must be terrible. I know exactly what you mean about the 'watching yourself' feeling! I refer to it like being in a bubble and everything is a bit surreal. I was at university when I started getting them so I took advantage and made an appointment with the Head of Psychology to talk through what they were as I had no idea!!! He explained that PA's were our bodies way of reacting to to much adrenaline (caused by stress), so in order to get better, I had to ensure that I provided a release for the adrenaline. With me, when I was stressed this led to depression and then poor diet, no exercise, negative thoughts and the cycle continued. So I built in exercise and healthy eating (even though I had no motivation or interest) in order to release the build up of adrenaline (think cave men hunting big animals - we still have those prehistoric body reactions to too much adrenaline but it's caused by stress not fear and we don't have to hunt animals so we need to find other ways of letting it out!) I've done quite a bit of research on this over the years and know my triggers. As soon as I start getting negative thoughts about myself, I know it's a trigger to do something about it. My anxiety, if it persists for more than a few days, most often not leads to stress which leads to depression which leads to a whole host of uncomfortable and scary experiences including PA. So my thinking is, that I need to do something to 'nip it in the bud' so to speak by taking positive action. Sometimes, this is not enough and medical intervention, of course, is necessary but there is no shame in that, in fact, I consider it to be a mature and positive step to take responsibility for getting better.

Sorry for rambling but I feel passionate about the subject and in helping others!

I'm glad my previous post helped you a little bit and I did wake up thinking of you this morning!!!

Take care and keep up the fight! Together, we can destroy debtdemon!!!!

NYD xxx

Wow, I had no idea pa's related to prehistoric times. Very interesting. It's true I don't do anything to release any adrenaline at all. I work in a stressful job full time then collect my daughter an be a mum/cleaner/chef/driver/chaperone. That is my life.

Perhaps something to release the adrenaline would be good. Thank you so much for your replies.

welshbea

Hi everyone, hi Krustylouise. You are right, health is the most important thing...My daughter suffers terribly with social anxiety, she is 16 and hasn't been in school for months. Thankfully the school has been really helpful, and she is doing her studies at home with their help. She is a good student, and will be sitting her exams this month. But it was a long road with many obstacles, including a suicide attempt and self harm. But she made it through to the other end, and is getting better every day, although the anxiety is always in the background waiting to come out again. We are very close and we talk all the time. Sometimes I find it so hard to stay strong though, when my financial situation keeps coming back to bite me. It seems that everytime I get on top of things, and think, yes, for once we will make it to the end of the month, something else will come along to take the last penny I have. I know there is always someone worse off, and I am a positive person most of the time, but things are just never easy it seems. I work so hard, but being unable to make ends meet every month does frustrate the hell out of me.:o Hugs to you and everyone