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theoretica

sonic2012 wrote: »

Holidays available this holiday year (Feb 04 - Aug 31) 128 hrs
Holidays already taken this holiday year (Feb 04 - Aug 31) 44 hrs (4 shifts)
Holidays booked this holiday year (Feb 04 - Aug 31) 55 hrs (5 shifts)
Holidays booked next holiday year (Sep 01 - Aug 31) 0 hrs
Holidays available to book 73 hrs (est. 6 shifts)
Total Holiday Accrued 51

The red relates to the whole holiday year - up until August. 128 total minus 55 booked gives you 73 still to book - if you were staying until the end of August. As you are leaving now the blue applies - you have acrued 51 hours and taken 44 so are only owed 7 more.

System

skintandscared wrote: »

I believe that within the first 3 months of employment (actually, the first 2 years now) they don't even need a reason to dismiss you. 6 instances of absence in 3 months is unbelievably high. Maybe, going forward, you need to look into other ways to deal with emergencies for dependants otherwise this will just continue to happen in your next job?

6 in 3 months is high but an employer can not put the two types of abscence together to form a discaplinary, my ex manager tried to do this to me but i was able to fight and win my appeal

agrinnall

CHRISSYG wrote: »

6 in 3 months is high but an employer can not put the two types of abscence together to form a discaplinary, my ex manager tried to do this to me but i was able to fight and win my appeal

I'm not convinced that is necessarily true (your appeal may have been won based on your employer's own rules) but it's irrelevant in this case as the OP's employer had no need to take any disciplinary action.

I'm in agreement with other posters that 6 absences (for whatever reason) in 3 months is completely unacceptable and the OP needs to sort out alternative arrangements before taking another job.

kloana

Two periods of personal absence in 3 months (the sticky issue of dependents' leave aside) is also pretty high - and doesn't reflect good when you're brand new on the job. You can't help when you get ill, and certainly can't help when children get ill, but you need to go that 'extra mile' during the initial period of a new job.

unlikelyheroine

sonic2012 wrote: »

Hello all sorry if this is the wrong area.

I have today just been told I failed my probation period which was 3 months, I started employment with the company 4th Feb. I'm going to appeal this as I had no prior warning or the chance for someone to be there to discuss this I was just told to leave the premises and told I would receive 1 weeks notice pay.

My grounds for appeal are that I have had 6 periods of absence to which 4 of them have been time off for dependants, 2 for illness as to which my employer told me to go home when arriving for work on one occasion. I have read that you can't be treated unfairly if you have time off for dependants as to which the most recent one this Thursday just gone was.

I have had no meeting with HR department or letter from them at all, offering my chance to explain.

My main concerns now are my holiday pay and claiming JSA.

I will confirm that I did not leave my job, I was told to leave. Will I be able to claim JSA? I hope that I shouldn't be on it too long I have a interview on Monday , if I was to make a claim for JSA should I claim from today or when my 1 weeks notice ends.



Now for the holiday, I have accrued 51 hours and already taken 44 hours which is 4 x 11 hour shifts. Is this taken away from my accrued or am I due my holiday pay.

Any other questions feel free to ask

I will add that I don't want to go back on JSA but may have to until either I win my appeal or find another job which shouldn't be long.

Many thanks

I am not an employment lawyer but my understanding is you are allowed time to make reasonable arrangements for dependants, not to take the time off that is needed to look after them yourself. Four times in three months might suggest to an employer that you do not have proper arrangements in place and this problem will recur. Then, two illness absences on your own account on top of this makes for a lot of time off in a three-month probation period. In fact it seems you have been there slightly less than three months if you started 4th Feb and that makes your absences utterly unacceptable, I would say, for any employer. That might sound harsh but you have to be realistic. You have effectively been absent twice a month during a period when you are meant to be putting your best foot forward and convincing an employer to take you on. If you're able to successfully appeal this then I personally would be surprised.

LittleVoice

sonic2012 wrote: »

If you have less than one full shift of holiday left then it cannot be taken. However, this holiday will be paid to you at the end of the holiday year.

Well I don't think the company is acting lawfully in respect of not allowing holiday to be taken if it is not a full shift and making payment instead (unless they give sufficiently more than the statutory holiday entitlement to cover 99.99% of a shift).

If they only allowed full shifts to be taken then they would need to round up the allowance to a whole shift.

bluenoseam

all that absence since February? Good luck with that appeal, there's a better chance of me being the first male to win Miss World!

sonic2012

I will go into depth on my absences.

Two were due to the fact i was ill, i had that awful virus that went around and i got it twice, maybe due to the fact that i work in a chill environment. And also if i had the choice i would of worked, but not allowed due to the fact it's a food buisness.

The other 3 were not my fault, my partner is a type 1 diabetic, and her diabetes are a bit hit and miss at the minute and therefore i had to take time off to help her. (I did mention this at Interview stage that my partner was diabetic). i'm her first point of contact.

The last 1 was due to the fact that i had court the thursday before good friday for a custody battle, court ran over and then i got caught up in transport issues were i did not return home until 6am the following morning, with next to no sleep. I advised work that i would not be coming in due to the fact that i had no sleep and did not want to cause a health and safety problem.

Work were also aware of a ongoing custody battle at interview stage

I'm not saying i win the appeal, i just want a meeting to discuss what has happened, and explain my side of the story.

BitterAndTwisted

There is nothing to appeal against. They can let you go for any reason they like or no reason at all.

You might think that the time taken off from your job was valid but your employer will not and do not care. All they care about is that the only time you take off from the job is booked in advance and sanctioned as paid holiday. Any other time off distiguishes you as unreliable and not committed to the job: which you have proven.

tonyh66

sonic2012 wrote: »

I will go into depth on my absences.

Two were due to the fact i was ill, i had that awful virus that went around and i got it twice, maybe due to the fact that i work in a chill environment. And also if i had the choice i would of worked, but not allowed due to the fact it's a food buisness.

The other 3 were not my fault, my partner is a type 1 diabetic, and her diabetes are a bit hit and miss at the minute and therefore i had to take time off to help her. (I did mention this at Interview stage that my partner was diabetic). i'm her first point of contact.

The last 1 was due to the fact that i had court the thursday before good friday for a custody battle, court ran over and then i got caught up in transport issues were i did not return home until 6am the following morning, with next to no sleep. I advised work that i would not be coming in due to the fact that i had no sleep and did not want to cause a health and safety problem.

Work were also aware of a ongoing custody battle at interview stage

I'm not saying i win the appeal, i just want a meeting to discuss what has happened, and explain my side of the story.

It really doesn't matter to them what your reasons were, your wasting your time appealing. Move on and put your efforts into getting a new job.