JSA Possible Sanction - Please Help

Seadogs_2010

Hi everyone
I am needing some advice please as I have received a letter this morning saying the job center think I left my last job voluntary and a decision will be made by a decision maker in due course.
I did not leave my last job. What happened was breifly two weeks ago I got offered a job at a company, their were four machines, I was not trained up on any machinery but was expected to pick things up instantly, I was not inducted, not shown company procedure incase their was a fire. In the end I was struggling that badly the owner of the company said we had best call it a day and asked me to leave.

I have wrote my version of events down for the job center but from what ive been told by various people, the owner of the company is a scumbag, which I can agree with after the way I pushed from pillar to post and spoken to in abrut manner constantly.

I would like to know the following please -
1. I live with my partner (who is a full time mum at the moment) and our son who is two. If I do get sanctioned even after appealing it, ive read you can claim for hardship payments. Then ive read you only got forty per cent of your JSA entitlement. We currently get 112 a week.Is this true?

2. Does been sanctioned affect your housing benefit?
3. How long is a sanction likely to last? Ive read 13weeks then others say 26weeks. Its so confusing.

Ive never been in trouble with the jobcentre as ive only been signing on for seven weeks after been made redundant from my old job due to lack of work. So i am upset about been sanctioned if it does happen. Since the turn of April ive applied for 15 jobs so im hoping something comes off soon.

Thank you for any help

[Deleted User]

Hi Seadogs

You should be told how long the sanction is to last when/if a letter comes through - I is 10 weeks : (

You need to be as honest as possible and write as much evidence/detail as possible in your next '"reconsideration form"'
it isn't over so don't give up

You should get hardship payments because your family with children so fall in the vulnruble group - again I was told it was more around 70/80% of JSA as hardship payment unless my jobcentre thinks it is in a different planet altogether!

Not sure about effects to housing benefit, no doubt I'll be finding out soon!

Seadogs_2010

thanks for that
Ive read the job centre guildlines and for a first offence if you have left your job it says you lose 13 weeks money.
I will be appealing if I get a letter saying im to be sanctioned.
Its a horrible feeling as ive genually done nothing wrong.

[Deleted User]

Yeah I know buddie, just keep calm and fight on

It is 'lose up to' - they may not even have a case,
I remember didn't the employer say something to you along the lines of go?

[Deleted User]

For example my 10 weeks was from receiving letter of notice so as my clock is ticking it's less now - and I'm not giving in

You must do the JSA10

Seadogs_2010

yes we had a chat and i said i was struggling with the fast paced enviroment and using the machinery.He then told me we should "call it a day".I wasn't given an induction or anything.I rang my jobcentre today and my claim is still active and nothing about a decision by the decision makers

Seadogs_2010

Could someone tell me if they know please how much I would be sanctioned?Is it 20% of your jsa? Ive read so much contrasting info I don't know what to believe?
If it helps our claim is a family claim.
Thank you

SaveMeDo

Hi Seadogs2010

When you started working for the employer, as I understand the rules, you are both locked in a contract, as far as the DWP are concerned, that you will be on trial for FOUR WEEKS (actually five) at the end of the four weeks, you may leave, or the employer may get rid of you, without a problem. after twelve weeks, if you leave or get sacked you will be in trouble with the DWP for leaving the job or getting sacked (for some misconduct or other)

Now the point here is that you didn't leave, you were sacked. You should make it clear that you were S.A.C.K.E.D. and you would have continued working if you were not sacked.

The employer failed to fulfil his side of the deal, to give you four weeks to prove yourself, it is not your fault he pulled the plug on the deal.

Go to the CAB and explain the situation, They will sort out your appeal.

[Deleted User]

SaveMeDo wrote: »

When you started working for the employer, as I understand the rules, you are both locked in a contract, as far as the DWP are concerned, that you will be on trial for FOUR WEEKS (actually five) at the end of the four weeks, you may leave, or the employer may get rid of you, without a problem. after twelve weeks, if you leave or get sacked you will be in trouble with the DWP for leaving the job or getting sacked (for some misconduct or other)

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Really? I had a job last just 27 days despite posters up advertising "trial a job for 30 days with benefits uneffected", my decision maker didn't take the above view!

OP needs to worry about this IF and when it happens

SaveMeDo

Really? I had a job last just 27 days despite posters up advertising "trial a job for 30 days with benefits uneffected", my decision maker didn't take the above view!

You have to start week five, and the HB and CT run on end date had to have passed, the day after that ended, you could have left the job, and you wouldn't have got a sanction, unless you committed misconduct and the employer complained on the form they send out. You didn't get into week five or were still in the run on benefit period, that is why up were up for a sanction.

They have stopped the HB and CT run on, and the bonus payment now, so people won't have to worry about that any more, just get into week five (and up until the end of week eleven) and you can leave without sanctions being applied as long as no misconduct is claimed by the employer.

A lot of the rules have changed since April, but I think this is still correct, some one chip in if they know better.

Seadogs_2010

Hi guys.
I just wanted to upto my thread as today I received a letter saying my claim will be allowed and my JSA will not be sanctioned. This is because the employer I worked for broke a lot of rules, i.e they didnt induct me, didnt show me how to use machiney correctly and safely and also the uniform they provided for me was to small.
So I am mightily releived today as I found it very stressfull waiting for a decision even though it only took a week.
So thank you for all your help and advice.
All the best