Removal from SA

zygurat789

21Twinkle wrote: »

Sorry - I wasn't shouting at anyone on this forum - it was aimed at HMRC !!
Last year - I paid an accountant to do it for me..

Can you get started now?

50Twuncle

zygurat789 wrote: »

Can you get started now?

Yes - I can (I hope)

System

HMRC will expect a tax return for 12/13 if no self-employed end date was entered on the last tax return you filed and/or you filed that return after December. After December you are automatically preselected for a tax return for the following tax year.

Given that it is only 17th April it's highly likely that the notice to file a return is in the post whether you have actually received or not. There are millions to be issued.

The message "HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) sent you a notice to complete a tax return on 06 Apr 2013 but have not yet received it" was not a castigation just a statement confirming you need to complete one and if you have already done it they haven't received it.

If you want the 2012/13 tax return to be the last year in SA (Self Assessment) because you are no longer self-employed then get the return done early and make sure you put an end date for your self-employment.

Finally you said your accountant filed it last year. If they did it online they you might not actually receive a paper tax return just a letter reminding you to file a return for 2012/13. If you want to file on paper download one from the HMRC website or collect one from an HMRC Enquiry Centre while they are still open or file it online since you are already registered.

verntern

zygurat789 wrote: »

First of all SA and PAYE are not mutually exclusive, you are not on one OR the other.
If you have employed income. then your employer HAS to deduct PAYE.
If HMRC has sent you a SA then you have to return it, completed.

In my experience they are unlikely to accept your word, over the phone, on your income but they will accept a completed return.
So, once you are in their club, you stay in it until they chuck you out.

I wish I could be chucked out of their club! Years ago, after retirement, I did a small amount of freelance consultancy work and dutifully declared the untaxed income on SA. As I have a local government pension the tax owing was taken under PAYE. Now, having reached the age of 70 and not having any undeclared income for several years I still get the irritating self assessment form. Takes me 5 minutes to fill in. Provide figures from my annual P60 pension form. Provide figures from the Pension Service for government pension . Provide figure for annual taxed savings interest (this year all of £328). No other income to declare. Is it possible that HMRC will eventually realise that they know everything about me and stop sending this irritating return?
Thanks.

zygurat789

verntern wrote: »

I wish I could be chucked out of their club! Years ago, after retirement, I did a small amount of freelance consultancy work and dutifully declared the untaxed income on SA. As I have a local government pension the tax owing was taken under PAYE. Now, having reached the age of 70 and not having any undeclared income for several years I still get the irritating self assessment form. Takes me 5 minutes to fill in. Provide figures from my annual P60 pension form. Provide figures from the Pension Service for government pension . Provide figure for annual taxed savings interest (this year all of £328). No other income to declare. Is it possible that HMRC will eventually realise that they know everything about me and stop sending this irritating return?
Thanks.

There is a facility on the form to tell them that you have ceased self employment, how else would they know. Afterall it is SELF assessment.
There could, of course be another reason why they send you a form and that is if your pension is above the limit for age allowances.

50Twuncle

OK - I have written to them - to ask to be removed from SA

zygurat789

21Twinkle wrote: »

OK - I have written to them - to ask to be removed from SA

But if you don't retun the self assessment tax return you WILL be fined, unless you have it in writing that the return is cancelled

50Twuncle

zygurat789 wrote: »

But if you don't retun the self assessment tax return you WILL be fined, unless you have it in writing that the return is cancelled

Don't I have until 31st Jan 2014 before they get irate ?

zygurat789

21Twinkle wrote: »

Don't I have until 31st Jan 2014 before they get irate ?

Probably longer before they realise they ought to be irate but by then it's too late for you.
Since you have not done this before, start early and since you say your income is fixed, and presumably subject to PAYE, it shouldn't be too dificult unless you put yourself under pressure by doing it in January 2014.
If you read other threads on here you will see that some have already submitted their 2012/13 returns.

50Twuncle

zygurat789 wrote: »

Probably longer before they realise they ought to be irate but by then it's too late for you.
Since you have not done this before, start early and since you say your income is fixed, and presumably subject to PAYE, it shouldn't be too dificult unless you put yourself under pressure by doing it in January 2014.
If you read other threads on here you will see that some have already submitted their 2012/13 returns.

They owe me about £50 according to my calculations - through overpaid tax during the last TY...