MSE News: Council tax benefit axe 'to hit 2.4 million families'

zygurat789

toffeecoated wrote: »

Under the old rates system nobody complained. It was Thatcher who brought in the hated poll tax, later renamed the council tax. The sooner that evil !!!!! dies the better.

But Council Tax is exactly what Rates were. It was only called something different so that the Tories weren't too embarrassed

lincroft1710

toffeecoated wrote: »

Under the old rates system nobody complained. It was Thatcher who brought in the hated poll tax, later renamed the council tax. The sooner that evil !!!!! dies the better.

Plenty of people appealed against their rating assessment, I dealt with many such appeals in 1970s and 1980s.

Poll Tax (or Community Charge) was completely different from Council Tax. The former was just a tax on each person living in a house, the latter is a tax based (like rates) on property values. The main difference being that rates were based on rental values whereas Council Tax is based on capital values.

zygurat789

toffeecoated wrote: »

The reason pensioners are protected is because they are by far the largest group that actually vote. So you could say it is them who got us in this mess. In my lifetime we have only had Labour and Conservative governments, and as my dad always said, Labour are incompetent, Conservatives are evil.

I've probably been around as long as your Dad and I can't remember a government of any persuasion doing anything like a good job or achieving a satisfactory result since the wartime coalition.

What we desperately need is to take the political parties out of politics and have someone who has at least a modicum of common sense in charge.

hanlou007

so when it says people will be pushed into poverty......does that mean that some people may not be able to afford their Sky subscriptions or top up their mobiles?????

MEMBER02

hanlou007 wrote: »

so when it says people will be pushed into poverty......does that mean that some people may not be able to afford their Sky subscriptions or top up their mobiles?????

well one things for sure the rich millionaire conservative supporters will be able to buy extra champagne with their tax cut,while the poorer members of society will have to pay via bedroom tax and council tax and benefit cuts

ManAtHome

MEMBER02 wrote: »

well one things for sure the rich millionaire conservative supporters will be able to buy extra champagne with their tax cut

Ah, thats why liebour only increased higher-rate tax from April 2010 (a month before the last election) - simmering rage against 'millionaires' for over 12 years or something (eg election gimmick)?

System

You can keep track of her progress here

We're fortunate that the Scottish Parliament is partially protecting people here but hopefully they will bring in the local income tax post 2014.

The Council Tax system as whole is regressive. Banding is a joke and with the benefit they are essentially paying themselves.

toffeecoated wrote: »

Under the old rates system nobody complained. It was Thatcher who brought in the hated poll tax, later renamed the council tax. The sooner that evil !!!!! dies the better.

Yogibear

AMG762 wrote: »

Maybe everyone should have to pay a percentage. In my area for example people who paid nothing last year will now pay 20% which works out to around £203 per year.

This is a massive increase for people on minimum state benefits. While i have nothing against pensioners is it fair that the well off ones who dont need additional help receive it.

Also it is turning into a postcode lottery. Which is completely unfair. People on minimum state benefits in some areas pay nothing where other areas now pay hundreds?

To me it looks as though if you live in area with a large population of pensioners (which need to be protected) then your in for a huge increase in council tax if claiming benefits. Completely unfair

I think some folk should get into the "real world" I know we live in Scotland the Land of milk and honey, Not,our council tax for a 1 bed roomed flat is £101 a month we are pensioners and get no benefits except for(oap pension) paying rent and service charge £530 a month,free prescription? yes because we are paying higher council tax,btw eff Alex Salmond and his Independence crap,as soon as we vote NO,he will be off...........

Yogibear

hanlou007 wrote: »

so when it says people will be pushed into poverty......does that mean that some people may not be able to afford their Sky subscriptions or top up their mobiles?????

yes and driving to the food banks in their cars:mad:

penrhyn

MEMBER02 wrote: »

well one things for sure the rich millionaire conservative supporters will be able to buy extra champagne with their tax cut,while the poorer members of society will have to pay via bedroom tax and council tax and benefit cuts

The higher rate tax was 40%, during every year of the labour government. Its now 45%. The 50% was Gordon the mentalists trap for the coalition. This is being exploited by Red Ed, friend of benefits.