Labour & the Conservatives

Moby

PaulF81 wrote: »

How many carrots would this miscreant have to pick before she could be considered for a proper job?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300962/Obese-Jay-Cole-went-This-Morning-complain-fat-job-caught-stealing-cakes.html

An anecdotal freak show article in the Daily Fail...really...you'll have to do better than thatSo much intellectual rigour on this forum sometimes;)

Moby

mildredalien wrote: »

Ah I see, you prefer prejudice, stereotypes and misinformation to facts. Then sorry, I can't help you!

I'll leave you with another link that you probably won't read, but just in case:
http://www.neweconomics.org/blog/2012/08/29/why-clegg%E2%80%99s-one-off-wealth-tax-does-not-go-far-enough

If you are confused, the graph shows that the top 1% of the population own more wealth than the whole bottom half of the population put together. The fact that you think that the unemployed or otherwise reliant on benefits are greedy is hilarious.

Oh and here's another link to peruse if you fancy educating yourself:
http://www.jointpublicissues.org.uk/truthandliesaboutpoverty/
(if you need help - you click the link that says 'download the full report')

You probably won't, because it's far easier to sit there from your comfortable lifestyle blaming problems on and judging those less fortunate than yourself.

Excellent post backed up by real evidence instead of bigotry and prejudice!

PaulF81

It's always the same old excuse. 'The rich keep us down'. Having come from a working class background, I can tell you this is the biggest falsehood perpetrated by unionists and socialists going. this is the excuse that prevents development of the poorer classes (some of whom see their benefits class background as almost a tribal badge of pride). Get a wash. Save some of your benefits you would spend on roll ups on a decent second hand suit (handy to cover up all those hideous tattoos and piercings I see from time to time) Go out and get a job. If you cant get a job, do local voluntary and charity work to prove you are serious, and people will give you a chance. You may have to start off at the bottom, but prove you are sensible and hardworking, and you too can work your way to the top.

No one owes you sh@t. Go out and get it for yourselves. I did, and next month will be taking a significant pay rise and boost in my responsibilities when I change jobs. I suppose I should give all my income away should I, to support idiots who can't even be bothered with going through what I suggest in paragraph one? I would honestly prefer to see them go with nothing.

Those links show nothing. They have a strong left wing slant, so of course you are going to support them.

PaulF81

Moby wrote: »

An anecdotal freak show article in the Daily Fail...really...you'll have to do better than thatSo much intellectual rigour on this forum sometimes;)

I hate the fail, but there is factual information in there. Fat slob been done for shoplifting. What is there to deny?

12 jobs interviews in 5 years? Not trying hard enough. i bet she had to do those just to keep her theft from the tax system going. Her benefits could be cut to zero for years, she has ample reserves to keep going. At least 6 months. Reckon.

Moby

PaulF81 wrote: »

It's always the same old excuse. 'The rich keep us down'. Having come from a working class background, I can tell you this is the biggest falsehood perpetrated by unionists and socialists going. this is the excuse that prevents development of the poorer classes (some of whom see their benefits class background as almost a tribal badge of pride). Get a wash. Save some of your benefits you would spend on roll ups on a decent second hand suit (handy to cover up all those hideous tattoos and piercings I see from time to time) Go out and get a job. If you cant get a job, do local voluntary and charity work to prove you are serious, and people will give you a chance. You may have to start off at the bottom, but prove you are sensible and hardworking, and you too can work your way to the top.

No one owes you sh@t. Go out and get it for yourselves. I did, and next month will be taking a significant pay rise and boost in my responsibilities when I change jobs. I suppose I should give all my income away should I, to support idiots who can't even be bothered with going through what I suggest in paragraph one? I would honestly prefer to see them go with nothing.

Those links show nothing. They have a strong left wing slant, so of course you are going to support them.

Its easy to troll bigotry on the internet isn't it...for all we know you could be banging away your hatred and anger on a keyboard while sitting in your dirty boxers in a squat in Hackney.
What plonkers like you never think are that people turn out the way they are for a reason. It could be their background , it could be a life event...whatever! Just for once try to see beyond your bigotry and think a bit more about your views. People on here have tried to help you out of your ignorance.

Moby

PaulF81 wrote: »

I hate the fail, but there is factual information in there. Fat slob been done for shoplifting. What is there to deny?

12 jobs interviews in 5 years? Not trying hard enough. i bet she had to do those just to keep her theft from the tax system going. Her benefits could be cut to zero for years, she has ample reserves to keep going. At least 6 months. Reckon.

Strange why you read such tosh...if you hate it. You come across to me as someone who has escaped a hard life and 'made it good'...so that means you think everyone should or could do it themselves...because you did?

mildredalien

It's amazing the amount of stereotypes you can fit into one post it really is! Did you even read any of the myths about poverty article? That wasn't written by socialists by the way, it was written by a religious organisation. If you think that people are in poverty or on benefits because they didn't try hard enough, you are wrong.

As for wealth distribution and tax, lets look at the figures.

The median income in the UK is about £21k per year (figures from 2010/11 here: http://www.ifs.org.uk/comms/comm124.pdf)
About 65% of the UK earn LESS than the median amount. Those in the top 1% earn somewhere around £100k per annum or more (some significantly more, into the millions). There's an interesting spike in how many individuals earn the top amounts of money.

Someone on minimum wage working 40 hours a week would earn £12875 BEFORE TAX. You think everyone on minimum wage is lucky enough to get 40 hours a week work? Imagine you are a 20 year old, not entitled to working tax credits and can only find a job that gives you 25 hours a week. You'd earn £8k a year. You don't get taxed on most of that BECAUSE YOU ONLY EARN £8K A YEAR. You can't tax what people don't have.

If you earn 100k, imagine you get taxed 50% of your income. Sounds harsh yes (in reality it is significantly less, due to staged tax brackets). However you would still take home NET pay of £50k a year. That's significantly more than the median net pay already, and almost 4 times as much as someone on minimum wage. Six times as much as someone struggling by on a part time job.

It's even more out of proportion for those earning millions. Each individual doesn't pay 70% of their income into tax, but the hugely rich skew all figures - some median earners might pay a few thousand in tax per year, those earning millions might PAY millions.

THAT is why higher earners get taxed more. Because they can afford to.

PaulF81

Someone on such a low salary would be on significant working tax credits and other benefits. So they will be on significantly more

The 100k earners marginal tax rate is closer to 70% aft national insurance and vat on expenditure is accounted for. This is far, far too high.

The person 'struggling' is typically in that position due to their personal life choices. Not my choices. Yet I get to pay for their personal poor life choices. No thanks. They should have worked hard at school, delayed having that baby, made sensible life choices.

I, like many experiences individuals are moving abroad, we have had enough of trying to help, being taxed to the quick, so as of the end of next month, I offshore my experience abroad and the exchequer loses around 30k in income tax. Many others I know a doing the same.

The overindulged benefits generation have killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Good luck with your socialist superstate when you haven't the tax to pay for it all and the productive strivers have been pushed out of the country.

mildredalien

P.s. here's a lovely set of images for you:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=victorian+poverty&hl=en&rlz=1C1CHFX_enGB507GB508&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=grpWUcTCHOKb0QXU14CAAw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=775

This shows what the UK was like before socialism - before the NHS, the welfare state and workers rights. Do you genuinely want the children of the UK to die in poverty so that the rich can protect their interests? Oh wait, they already are. See here for some facts about child poverty

http://www.barnardos.org.uk/cym/what_we_do/our_projects/child_poverty/child_poverty_what_is_poverty/child_poverty_statistics_facts.htm

PaulF81

The Victorians didn't have contraception. I suggest if you can't afford children in this modern day and age, either retrain and get a better paid job, or go without. Children are a choice not a right and its not the states responsibility to bail out people with no sense of personal responsibility.