Welfare to Work

Generali

I'm not sure it matters how it's done but people have to get away from the mindset that it's reasonable to spend a decade or more not working because they don't fancy what's on offer.

Pretty much anyone can get something, even if that means cleaning, serving coffees or waiting tables that is 'beneath them' or 'women's work' or some such rubbish.

If they can't or won't find work for themselves it's reasonable to force them to do something if they want to carry on claiming. If they don't want to do the work the claiming should end.

Maybe to get over the problem of people taking work from others, work that currently isn't being done like picking up litter from the side of country roads, putting insulation into poor people's houses, doing domestic work for old people that can't get around so well or cleaning up graffiti.

At the moment you've got to be a mug to work for low wages in the UK if you have kids. If I put my circumstances into a benefits calculator from when I left the UK I'd be getting well over £30,000 a year for me and the kids plus what Mrs Generali could claim. Increasingly people simy aren't going to work as there's no good reason to. Either benefits need to fall or people must be compelled to work.

IveSeenTheLight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Not saying it should even be full time, but if a job seeker hasn't found work after say 3-6 months, is it unreasonable to then expect them to contribute 10 hours a week, leaving them 30 hours with which to job seek?

I'd have it the other way round.
30 hours work and 10 hours job seeking.
If they can show that they have attained an interview, then they can have the morning / afternoon off to attend said interview.

Applications / CV updates / Job searches can continue on the modern world outside of normal working hours

stinktankcynic

People who are workers should get money based on NI contributions and should be allowed to find a job over a year the best ways they can, for example not going for joke job centre opportunities. People who have not worked or have zero NI contributions should either do full time training, work experience or two days work for the dole money. You don't have to claim benefits. Where housing benefit, council tax rebates and other benefits are paid, the people claiming should go work 40 hours for that. It's a disgusting society when someone can decide to stay at home and breed and get more money than people who go out to work.

vivatifosi

stinktankcynic wrote: »

People who are workers should get money based on NI contributions and should be allowed to find a job over a year the best ways they can, for example not going for joke job centre opportunities.

There was an interesting article in last week's Economist. It said that unlike most of Europe, where benefits are insurance based (ie based on what you put in), Britain's are entitlement based and this is where the problem starts. The article was about something different - benefits and immigration - but I think that issue as to what you make the starting point is an important one.

See:
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21573144-government-wants-curb-benefits-eu-migrants-can-it-once-more-unto-breach

headcone

Go on you Tories get these lazy b@ggers back to work,it`s about time they paid society back.

http://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/health/burnley-thalidomide-mum-50-must-prove-to-dwp-she-is-unfit-for-work-1-5501670

[Deleted User]

if a job exist then the person doing it should be paid the going rate
if it doesnt exist and someone is forced to do it than thats little better than slavery
what we need are real jobs for real people,not half baked schemes

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

vivatifosi wrote: »

There was an interesting article in last week's Economist. It said that unlike most of Europe, where benefits are insurance based (ie based on what you put in), Britain's are entitlement based and this is where the problem starts. The article was about something different - benefits and immigration - but I think that issue as to what you make the starting point is an important one.

See:
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21573144-government-wants-curb-benefits-eu-migrants-can-it-once-more-unto-breach

I wonder why this hasn't been debated more?

Worth a thread of it's own.