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What next for Venezuela? Chavez dead

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  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    purch wrote: »
    The good news for Venezualans is that now Ken Livingstone might not be visiting quite so often :eek:

    Whatever happened to his cheap oil for London Transport deal?
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

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  • zagubov
    zagubov Posts: 17,956 Forumite
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    vivatifosi wrote: »
    It's being announced at the moment that President Hugo Chavez has died.

    I went to Venezuela on holiday about 6 years ago and thought it was a great country, but talk to anyone with money and they absolutely hated him. People with not so much, well they had cheap fuel, mobile phones, housing... .

    The crime stats are alarming. The economic ones less so. If he made the very poorest much better off, well that counts for a lot if you’re otherwise incapable of earning a living. That’s quite an achievement.

    So he made the comfortably-off not quite so much richer as the neighbours did. That doesn’t come anywhere near to cancelling out the first achievement. Modern economies tend to enrich the already-rich anyway.
    It’s what the poorest think of you that reveals most of the worth of your government.
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  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    zagubov wrote: »
    The crime stats are alarming. The economic ones less so....

    Venezuela is running a deficit of at least 9%, maybe 12%. It is, according to the BBC "a nation beset by crumbling infrastructure, unsustainable public spending and underperforming industry". That might not be as alarming as 20,000 murders a year, but it's hardly a cause for celebration.

    zagubov wrote: »
    .. If he made the very poorest much better off, well that counts for a lot if you’re otherwise incapable of earning a living. That’s quite an achievement....


    Depends. Whether the 'poorest' (however you define them) will be better off as a result in the long term remains to be seen. How many times have we seen it before; a well-intentioned left wing government gets elected and spends a pile of money only to leave one big mess that takes years to sort out?
  • Moby
    Moby Posts: 3,918 Forumite
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    Wookster wrote: »
    Interesting times indeed.

    Hopefully they will get a leader that believes in property rights and free market economics. The people will benefit enormously!

    Which people will benefit?
  • Moby
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    Conrad wrote: »
    Chile is the freeest nation in S America, Venezuela was the least free. On all socio-economic markers, Chile is way ahead.

    Anti free marketeers parade Venezuela and Cuba as model societies. Notice how hardly any immigrants from accross the globe flock to these 2 beacons of hope and prosperity, even though the hard left forever tell us America and the free world are infinitley more nasty places to raise a family.
    Who exactly are you saying tells us such things?
  • Moby
    Moby Posts: 3,918 Forumite
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    good job he is dead. hopefully castro will be next. hateful man who imprisoned a nation. scum.
    As ever a thought provoking geopolitical analysis. Is this the chav take on Venezuelan politics;)
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