Pro Rata Help

Sambucus_Nigra

Torry_Quine wrote: »

She is entitled to pro-rata public public holidays and if one falls on a day she works then she has one less to take off.

Technically, no. There is no entitlement to be paid public hols so it's a red herring to pro rata them out.

Torry_Quine

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Technically, no. There is no entitlement to be paid public hols so it's a red herring to pro rata them out.

I mean that she is entitled to the time off pro-rata for the public holidays. I only did that way as the OP only mentioned 22 days so implying that the public holidays were counted seperately.

anamenottaken

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

YEs but we don't know when the holiday year starts or ends and we aren't mind readers! Once we know we can apportion it out.

Which is why I asked (post #4) for confirmation of the holiday year before doing detailed calculation with explanation. OP has not responded but as others have made assumptions .....

anamenottaken

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I mean that she is entitled to the time off pro-rata for the public holidays. I only did that way as the OP only mentioned 22 days so implying that the public holidays were counted seperately.

But you can't pro rate them for part-timers when they may or may not be working on a bank holiday. It appears that the staff member will be working on Mondays (given she is starting the 30 hour-week on a Monday) and the majority of BHs are on Mondays.

If they normally work on a Monday and there's a Monday bank holiday, they don't get a portion of that bank holiday, they get all of it. If they don't work on Fridays, Good Friday is not part of their holiday entitlement because they wouldn't be working on it any way.

That's why you have to add "normal" and bank holidays together.

Torry_Quine

anamenottaken wrote: »

But you can't pro rate them for part-timers when they may or may not be working on a bank holiday. It appears that the staff member will be working on Mondays (given she is starting the 30 hour-week on a Monday) and the majority of BHs are on Mondays.

If they normally work on a Monday and there's a Monday bank holiday, they don't get a portion of that bank holiday, they get all of it. If they don't work on Fridays, Good Friday is not part of their holiday entitlement because they wouldn't be working on it any way.

That's why you have to add "normal" and bank holidays together.

I agree and didn't say that you would get a portion of any individual public holidays. If the annual leave is 22 + 8 then pro rata that's 24 days which is exactly the same as 17.6 + 6.4 as I said originally. If for instance 5 public holidays are on a day she is due to work eg Monday that leaves 19 for her to take.

Sambucus_Nigra

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I agree and didn't say that you would get a portion of any individual public holidays. If the annual leave is 22 + 8 then pro rata that's 24 days which is exactly the same as 17.6 + 6.4 as I said originally. If for instance 5 public holidays are on a day she is due to work eg Monday that leaves 19 for her to take.

It's confusing the issue as there is no law about being paid public hols. They are not pro rata-ed.

paddedjohn

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I agree and didn't say that you would get a portion of any individual public holidays. If the annual leave is 22 + 8 then pro rata that's 24 days which is exactly the same as 17.6 + 6.4 as I said originally. If for instance 5 public holidays are on a day she is due to work eg Monday that leaves 19 for her to take.

It's not 24 days as she was full time for 2 months. It works out at 25 days for the year.

charlie-louise88

anamenottaken wrote: »

Is your company holiday year January to December?
Has she worked for you since on or before 1 January 2013?

I could go through various scenarios depending on holiday year etc but easier if you answer those two questions first. If the answer to either of them is "no", give the actual holiday year and her start date with you.

Also confirm that your full-time people get 22 days plus bank holidays. If they get just 22 days including bank holidays, then that's not their entitlement.

Yes she has been here since 1st January 2013 and before and its 22 days with bank holidays on top

dawyldthing

it also depends on how you pay them holidays. Like where I work if you have a day on holiday you're paid for 6 hours, whether you work 2 hours that day or 10 hours, so it still means you get the full 28 days otherwise you wouldn't get your full allowance for the year. The one about public holidays is a funny one as I thought everyone got paid them regardless if you work them or not?