Grade 5 Orthodontic treatment

bluesnake

Toothsmith wrote: »

Have you made up this entire post?

It's complete fantasy!

If you are accepted as a patient at a teaching hospital, the treatment, like all secondary NHS care is free at the point of delivery. You don't 'pay for the parts'! And anyway, 4 'titanium screws' are highly refined, precision engineered, coated, sterile surgical grade devices. They most certainly are not £12.50 each! I don't think I could buy titanium Allen bolts for my bicycle that cheaply!

Dental hospitals have such tightly squeezed budgets that they simply do not accept all and sundry for treatment anyway, and for orthodontics it is like brook and welsh said.

As for 'evaluating your student'.... How exactly would a member of the public be expected to do that? :rotfl:

When it comes to end of year professional exams for the students, all sorts of other tutors, lecturers and professors are brought in from other dental hospitals to give fair, objective and transparent assessment of each student.

You think it can be done like a brothel, where you just say 'I'll have that one'?

Not Fantasy, but might be a bit outdated. The Titanium screw lady was part of a clinical trial, but she had to pay for the screws. I personally new her, and she told me £50.

Myself, I have in the past been offered the chance or opportunity to be worked upon by a student, but had to wait for up to a year for treatment - think it depends on which parts the final years were focusing. Have been told a few years ago that with the introduction of phantom heads does mean less volunteers are now required.

Toothsmith

Might have been useful to point out it was in the dim & distant past.

There's no way in the past 30 yrs that someone on a 'clinical trial' would have to pay anything. There are huge ethical and procedural hoops to jump through for any sort of clinical trial now.

bluesnake

the implant lady was about 15 years ago, and I do not want to say why she paid the cost or cheapness. Chap with the problem student was about 20 years if not slightly more. I was offered about 10-12 years ago and phantom heads came in about 8 for general student use.

How come no one suggest Poland or Brazil, or is the £ that bad?

brook2jack

Orthodontics is a longterm treatment lasting typically eighteen months to two years with appointments every four to six weeks. This is just one of many reasons why no one has suggested going abroad.

Also when I trained in the eighties phantom heads were standard everywhere and had been for quite some time.

In addition a colleague in the early nineties doing implants paid about £250 a kit even then , so £50 would never have been the cost of even one titanium screw, let alone the cost of superstructure and crown above which is additional cost. This is why implants have not been available for many years in dental hospitals , apart from rare cases , as the disposable bits and kit to fit them costs in excess of £1200 per implant.

Toothsmith

bluesnake wrote: »

..... and phantom heads came in about 8 for general student use.

Students working on phantom heads at Manchester Dental Hospital c 1940!!



And they weren't new then!

http://www.chstm.manchester.ac.uk/public/manchester/beforeandafterthe2ndww/

loulou123

I was one of the "lucky ones" who did qualify for orthodontic work on the NHS (Had my braces on in 2005, so before the newer legislation.)

But mine was a severe case, effecting both jaws and the jaw joint - I also had to have double jaw surgery and a further 2 smaller operations. My has were severely out of alignment causing me pain, partial dislocation of my jaw (on many occasions) and effecting my ability to eat normally.

The NHS waiting lists were very long (private wasn't an option as the cost including surgery was astronomical.) I waited over 3 years in pain from time I was put on the list to getting my braces put on, so even "if" you did qualify it'd be by no means a quick thing.

I know other adults who've had braces and the private clinics are very good at letting you pay in installments etc, so I think thatd be your best starting point.