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Inspector asks where you're going?
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geordie_taxi wrote: »if they cant prove intent then its a byelaw offence which is a civil matter therefore no criminal record or enhanced crb record
Worth pointing out that Byelaws are still criminal offences, just no recorded conviction on the PNC upon successful prosecution.0 -
You don't have to answer ANY questions regardless of the situation, although sometimes (ie; now), it's in your interest to. If the inspector had reason to believe an offence might have been committed, he was perfectly within his rights to request a name and address as required, and this is all that MUST be supplied. Regardless or suspecting an offence, anybody can ask a question, surely? He, in this case was satisfied, so what's the issue? If the OP had stated they travelled from outside a london zone, it would have been a different matter I'd imagine.It may be "reasonable", but you don't have to answer it!0 -
A lot of people try to use Oyster to travel to Gatwick (and other stations but Gatwick seems to be a particulat problem). Oyster is not valid beyond East Croydon.
Perhaps the guard asked the OP where they were travelling to because they know that passengers regularly get caught at Gatwick without a valid ticket, having though their Oyster was valid. So the guard asked where the OP was going so that they could sell them the correct ticket if they were travelling beyond East Croydon.0 -
geordie_taxi wrote: »just search one of the many foamers forums im sure u will find many a tale of guilty fare dodgers asking for out of court settlements but u will also find tales of honest travelers who panicked when intimidated by revenue staff and say the wrong things. they too are requiring out of court settlements
"out of court settlements" or bribe not to be prosecuted, it seems a thin line from the information provided in those forums.
I struggle to think of any other circumstance when a someone with the power to prosecute a crime will take cash not to proceed to court, *and* keep the cash for themselves.
"Mr Smith, you have been caught doing 35 in a 30, but would you like to pay £100 into the Police tea club and we will say no more about it".
And as for the suggestion to only provide name and address when demanded, unfortunately that is sensible advice. If you have a valid ticket then it will be obvious* to the member of railway staff that it is a valid ticket and you have no problem and have no need to explain anything more.
If the member of railway staff does not think you have a valid ticket then nothing you say will persuade them otherwise and anything you do say will be liable to misinterpretation by the poorly trained railway staff.
If being accused of an offence it is best to only provide the information that is legally required (name and address in this case) and stay silent on anything else until you have had legal advice.
*Although after FCC had to write to a work colleague with an apology and compensation after one of their RPIs couldn't understand something as simple as FCC's evening peak restrictions, I have my doubts.0 -
How is it obvious that the Oyster card is valid for the whole journey the passenger is making if the train travels beyond the Oyster boundary? With pre-pay the reader will only say where you got on - not where you're going to.It's only numbers.0
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Marco_Panettone wrote: »How is it obvious that the Oyster card is valid for the whole journey the passenger is making if the train travels beyond the Oyster boundary? With pre-pay the reader will only say where you got on - not where you're going to.
So using that logic, every single RPI should be asking every single passenger on every single train where they are going, just on the off chance that someone somewhere will be travelling beyond the destination on their ticket.0 -
On the service I travel on quite regularly tickets are inspected
a. courteously
b. to check I am in the right section of the train. Many are not.
c. to check the ticket is valid
d. to check any discount cards
It is all done perfectly pleasantly and I approve if it cuts down the number who don't pay or don't pay enough. I've seen someone not have the right ticket and they were asked to pay in a reasonable tone and did so.0 -
On the service I travel on quite regularly tickets are inspected
On the sevice I travel on twice a day, tickets are inspected less than 1/2 dozen times a year.a. courteously
If you can call shouting "all tickets please", glancing at everyone's ticket and then wandering through to the next section.b. to check I am in the right section of the train. Many are not.
Well on my service they would be stuffed every day other than the 1/2 dozen times they are on the train.c. to check the ticket is valid
Given that the ink has worn off my ticket by July, I could be waving any sort of gold paper card at them.d. to check any discount cards
We had a competition in the office recently trying to recognise people from the photo on their season ticket photo ID card, some of which had been issued many many years earlier. There were not many correct identifications.It is all done perfectly pleasantly and I approve if it cuts down the number who don't pay or don't pay enough.
And if it was a big risk, then they would check more than 1/2 dozen times a year.I've seen someone not have the right ticket and they were asked to pay in a reasonable tone and did so.
Then you get the poorly trained FCC RPI who dealt with my work colleague, who was too dim to even understand FCC's own timetable with the restrictions clearly marked out.
If someone is incapable of understanding their own employer's simple timetable on a route they are employed to enforce, would you trust them to accurately report a conversation that could lead to a prosecution?0 -
I'll say it slowly for you....
If you have a valid ticket you cannot be prosecuted.It's only numbers.0 -
Marco_Panettone wrote: »I'll say it slowly for you....
If you have a valid ticket you cannot be prosecuted.
Perhaps you would like to explain why this person with a valid ticket is being threatened with prosecution.
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