So, they take child benefit from decent UK based taxpayers

N1AK

This is just another half researched anti-eu scare story. Has anyone here actually got any idea how much in benefit is actually being claimed by foreigners for children in foreign countries? Has anyone here got any idea how much money in child benefits is being claimed by Britain's in foreign countries for children in the UK? I'd be a considerable sum that they don't, but that won't stop there being a deluge of uninformed debate.

The EU rules aren't rocket science and they make sense if we want migrant working to be viable. If an unemployed British person could find a job in France but couldn't accept it without child benefit that's a market failure, as it is they could claim the considerable French benefits. France gets another worker and we lose a benefit claimant.

If we are offering unusually large child benefits (which is a dubious and thus far unsubstantiated claim on here) then we can address that issue. We know that we can't discriminate against other EU citizens so the fact we haven't designed our benefit system to account for that is nobody's fault but ours.

notanewuser

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i don't care if they are Poles or anyone else. they are not English and should not be getting benefits that have been CUT to English people.

Yeah, sod the scots, welsh and irish.

(This is why those 3 nations hate the english, by the way. )

Sampong

N1AK wrote: »

This is just another half researched anti-eu scare story. Has anyone here actually got any idea how much in benefit is actually being claimed by foreigners for children in foreign countries?

Good point. Nobody really knows - which is part of the problem.

Well done you for spotting that.

The Government don't really know how many migrants are here either.

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

We're on the same page but the difference is you're happy to wait another 4 years for potential action whilst I think action could be taken today.

It couldn't. It's impossible.

That's my starting point. No point in saying it should all be done at X time when it's frankly impossible. We'd be spending a small fortune on MPs to completely waste their time and play party politics with a referendum.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It couldn't. It's impossible.

That's my starting point. No point in saying it should all be done at X time when it's frankly impossible. We'd be spending a small fortune on MPs to completely waste their time and play party politics with a referendum.

That's what we're doing now - they may as well do something productive at the same time.

I suspect that there's a lack of political will because this will be an easy 'victory' for the government when negotiations do start. The intent of the legislation can't have been for the UK to pay child benefit to non-resident children.

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

That's what we're doing now - they may as well do something productive at the same time.

I suspect that there's a lack of political will because this will be an easy 'victory' for the government when negotiations do start. The intent of the legislation can't have been for the UK to pay child benefit to non-resident children.

No it's not.

Under your proposal, they would be spending time actively OPPOSING a referendum. A motion would take place etc. This would involve work from all parties. It would involve a massive campaign from all parties to get information out there. Not that it's possible under the coalition anyway.

All thats happened now is one parties promised a referendum. The other parties have got all huffy.

You are being totally disingenuous in all of this.

Tancred

The_White_Horse wrote: »

and give it to kids in Poland instead (50,000 of them).

Nice. Glad to see my money is helping these people out.

Ridiculous!

Not good, but I'm not in favour of child benefit anyway. If you can't afford kids, don't have them. I would prefer tax cuts instead of a benefit - benefits help to increase the chav numbers.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Under your proposal, they would be spending time actively OPPOSING a referendum. A motion would take place etc. This would involve work from all parties. It would involve a massive campaign from all parties to get information out there. Not that it's possible under the coalition anyway.

All thats happened now is one parties promised a referendum. The other parties have got all huffy.

You are being totally disingenuous in all of this.

The terms of the referendum are published - the Conservatives have committed to it and I'm not suggesting that they now oppose it.

I just want them to do their jobs. These figures have come from the treasury so I'd like to know; are they correct; are they significant and what they are going to do, if anything, about paying child benefit to foreigners who reside abroad. Too much to ask?

All I'm hearing is rubbish about how it's legally impossible to do anything about this (Europe innit) and nothing can be done anyway (it's the coalition innit) and earliest opportunity that this can be raised at the EU is in 2015 if the conservatives win the election.

There's nothing disingenuous about being pro-EU membership but recognising that there are issues to be resolved and the best people to do that are the government of the day.

ruggedtoast

It also makes me sick that Bruce Banner is receiving a winter fuel allowance and bus pass at my expense. What can you do?

Moby

the_white_horse wrote: »

utterly sickening that the children of tax payers in this country are deprived so that kids in poland can take the money instead.

When will this end???? When the lefty is irradicated, that is when. Dirty dangerous lefties. The biggest threat to the western world there has ever been.

Suck it up!