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GeorgeHowell wrote: »Exactly the sort of thing that holds us, and all of Europe, back, while the developing world grows. We should make our own decisions about such things in order to achieve a sensible balance and not be dictated to by unelected bureaucrats who have both feel planted firmly in mid air.
If we can't get away from this sort of B/S the everyone should vote to come out.
As long as each person who votes in the referendum understands exactly what they are voting for. I have a feeling that the mass of immigrants that you expect may not be forthcoming, I should imagine Germany with their better economy and benefits will take the brunt of that, unlucky
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Because it's inconceivable that our own democratically elected parliament could legislate on this issue?
Becoming more likely the case we need to compete with slave labour in the East don't you know.
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
If someone wants to work 60 hours a week they should be allowed to.
They are.
Any individual is allowed to opt out of the working time directive.
I do, and always have.
More to the point however, how is it possible you could hold that up as an example of Europe taking away people's choice or freedom to work, and not know that it is entirely voluntary?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
So why have it then?HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »They are.
Any individual is allowed to opt out of the working time directive.
I do.
In the real world everybody would be "made" to sign on condition of getting the job.
Guess it keep a few thousand buracrats in work though.
Good example of the EU rules for rules sake.0 -
Becoming more likely the case we need to compete with slave labour in the East don't you know.
There is a sensible balance to be achieved between ensuring that the workforce is protected against unreasonable exploitation and allowing dumping of dirt cheap products from abroad. The EU has no concept of this. Our own firms are hidebound by bureaucracy and restriction and yet still loads of cheap stuff comes in from outside Europe.
Considering how the EU operates it's no wonder that Labour and the left are so enamoured of it. It represents the sort of centralised, statist, high spending, levelling down /not building up, producer mentality, inward looking world that they want to live in.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
So why have it then?
In the real world everybody would be "made" to sign on condition of getting the job.
In the real world, everybody is not "made" to sign an opt out. Doing so would be a serious breach of employment law, and no credible business would risk such a thing.Guess it keep a few thousand buracrats in work though.
Good example of the EU rules for rules sake.
Nonsense.
Can you identify where the legions of "buracrats" are that run around checking on WTD opt outs?
Just, absolute nonsense.
Are you really so blinkered against the EU that you both had no idea of what you were talking about with the working time directive and opt-outs, and now have to chase your tail suggesting there are thousands of people employed to keep track of them?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »In the real world, everybody is not "made" to sign an opt out. Doing so would be a serious breach of employment law, and no credible business would risk such a thing.
Nonsense.
Can you identify where the legions of "buracrats" are that run around checking on WTD opt outs?
Just, absolute nonsense.
Are you really so blinkered against the EU that you both had no idea of what you were talking about with the working time directive and opt-outs, and now have to chase your tail suggesting there are thousands of people employed to keep track of them?
Sounds like you are a fan of more and more regulation to hamper businesses. I would scrap most of the employment law and let businesses just get on with things. But then again I am self employed so do put my money where my mouth is.
If you think that people are not coerced into signing the WTD opt out, your are living on another planet.0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »There is a sensible balance to be achieved between ensuring that the workforce is protected against unreasonable exploitation and allowing dumping of dirt cheap products from abroad. .
I thought the Tories were big on Free Trade?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I thought the Tories were big on Free Trade?
Of course but dumping is not free trade.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
well, some people, maybe, yes. That's more likely correct thanIf you think that people are not coerced into signing the WTD opt out, your are living on another planet.
which is obviously falseILW wrote:In the real world everybody would be "made" to sign on condition of getting the job.0
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