Should People With Low IQ's Be Allowed To Vote?

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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I believe immigration is the fastest and easiest way to growth, which is not quite the same thing.
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That's your belief. Innovation and technology are my belief.

China is putting $5bn+ of R&D into 16 strategic areas, one of which is advanced manufacturing.

They are not doing this on a whim. They obviously believe it will help them grow their economy.

We need to project into the future, not look into the past. To rely on large numbers of low skilled workers is to admit we are a 2nd rate future economic power.

Nikkster

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

How so?

It seems to me we already have a sweetheart deal in terms of exemptions, rebates, etc, so we have the best of both worlds.

As I said, I have a few years to develop my ability to eloquently debate my feelings on European migration ahead of any voting.

Back on topic - so, its not strictly people of low IQ who should not be allowed to vote. Do you think there should be an exam on the back of the ballot paper... if you pass your vote is counted?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

That's your belief. Innovation and technology are my belief.

There is no reason we cannot do both.

Nikkster

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

There is no reason we cannot do both.

I would even go so far as to say we need some immigration to achieve the innovation etc.

But that doesn't mean that the gates should just be wide open, surely?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Nikkster wrote: »

Do you not think that we are going to [become a 2nd class member]
as the Eurozone integrate more closely?

I think we need to keep our options open in an ever changing world, and our current position is advantageous.

We are a full member, with full benefits, but with some rebates and exemptions.

Nikkster wrote: »

I would even go so far as to say we need some immigration to achieve the innovation etc.

But that doesn't mean that the gates should just be wide open, surely?

The gates are far from "wide open".

There are no significant economic disadvantages to EU immigration, but there are many significant economic advantages.

And it in no way stops any of the things Kabayiri promotes.

We can attract anyone we like, from anywhere in the world, if we choose to do so. We can invest in technology, if we choose to do so.

So why the hostility to immigration I wonder, as it doesn't stop us doing anything that wants done?

kabayiri

Nikkster wrote: »

I would even go so far as to say we need some immigration to achieve the innovation etc.

But that doesn't mean that the gates should just be wide open, surely?

Of course not.

Does a successful company achieve growth by employing anyone who can hold a pen and read the company handbook, even if that might mean thousands on the payroll?

Nope. They actively try and recruit the best candidates they can. They recruit according to their needs, whether it is strengthening their product line or revamping the production facilities. The same holds for successful countries.

I have sponsored people from India to work here on a permanent basis. I did this because they were intelligent and hard working IT specialists who filled a skills gap. Someone who is anti-immigration would be loathe to do this.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

The same holds for successful countries..

Except that's just not true.

Population growth in and of itself creates demand in markets for those companies to sell to.

Nikkster

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Except that's just not true.

Population growth in and of itself creates demand in markets for those companies to sell to.

We don't just have to sell to people who live in the UK.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Except that's just not true.

Population growth in and of itself creates demand in markets for those companies to sell to.

is this a universal economic law that applies to all countries?

is the UK per capita poorer when old people go and live in Spain?

is Spain per capita richer?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Nikkster wrote: »

We don't just have to sell to people who live in the UK.

We can sell to people anywhere in the world.

But again, why limit ourselves?

Best of both worlds is to have a large market at home, AND sell to large markets elsewhere.