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Do newcomers create more jobs than they take?
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
Detroit, for example, has closed endless libraries, restaurants, manufacturing plants, schools, police stations, etc as population has fallen.
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Maybe I am being a bit blonde, but this is happening in communities in the UK, yet our population is growing in many areas.Dont wait for your boat to come in 'Swim out and meet the bloody thing'
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Jobs created vs jobs lost isn't really the issue is it? Are people net contributors or are they a drain on the system?
Its not enough just to work. you have to put more in than you take out if you want to immigrate to the UK. Thats quite simply the way it should be.0 -
Going4TheDream wrote: »Maybe I am being a bit blonde, but this is happening in communities in the UK, yet our population is growing in many areas.
Commensurate with the shift of population and jobs to its suburbs,
Freeways and transit systems have facilitated movement throughout the region with millions of people taking up residence in the suburbs. Between 2000 and 2010, the city's population fell by 25%, from the nation's 10th largest city to 18th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit
And no doubt the shift of population from he old metropolitan boundaries to the suburbs resulted in new infrastructure and business setting up there."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »And no doubt the shift of population from he old metropolitan boundaries to the suburbs resulted in new infrastructure and business setting up there.
Precisely.
The jobs and facilities are no longer required in the city of Detroit, where population is shrinking, so companies and facilities close and jobs are lost.
However the increasing population in the suburbs now requires more facilities, and more new businesses, to service the increasing population there. So jobs are created.
See. It's not that hard.;)“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Precisely.
The jobs and facilities are no longer required in the city of Detroit, where population is shrinking, so companies and facilities close and jobs are lost.
However the increasing population in the suburbs now requires more facilities, and more new businesses, to service the increasing population there. So jobs are created.
See. It's not that hard.;)
Not really they have just moved. Simples."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Not really they have just moved. Simples.
Still can't grasp it?
The increasing population in the suburbs, creates new jobs in the suburbs.
Now replace the word "suburb" with the word "country" and you're there.;)
Or easier still, just think of Britain as a green and leafy suburb of continental Europe.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Well 70 million is locked in already. I suspect it'll peak somewhere over 100 million, but that will take many, many decades.
Which gives us plenty of time to adjust the birthrate and ensure a sustainable situation with the dependency ratio moving forwards from there.
In other threads, you talk of sharing resources and more people living to one home, in order to deal with a supply problem. You aslo mention this in regards to where all those immigrants you want shovelled into the country will live.
However, on this thread, you pretend that doubling the population will double the number of jobs.
Not if they are sharing resources and living 8 to a house instead of 4. The services to the house, and those employed by those services will stay the same. The council get no more money in council tax to pay extra staff. Those 8 people now require one cooker, one microwave, one set of carpets etc (instead of 2 sets for 2 homes).
You explain one thing on one thread and then totally go against what you have just explained on another.
If were all sharing resouces as part of your plan to up the population, how does that create an extra job per 2 people? Can you explain please?0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Still can't grasp it?
The increasing population in the suburbs, creates new jobs in the suburbs.
Now replace the word "suburb" with the word "country" and you're there.;)
Or easier still, just think of Britain as a green and leafy suburb of continental Europe.
Has Michigan grown?
The people have just moved form one area to another.
Think tower blocks either side of the street. One empties one fills.
In the UK example we are already a full tower block that can't pay the rent."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Has Michigan grown?
The people have just moved form one area to another.
Think tower blocks either side of the street. One empties one fills.
Has Europe grown?
The people have just moved from one area to another.
Taking the consumption and need for new businesses/jobs with them.In the UK example we are already a full tower block that can't pay the rent
Eh?
We are far from full. Only 4% of the Uk is built on.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Has Europe grown?
The people have just moved from one area to another.
Taking the consumption and need for new businesses/jobs with them.
Eh?
We are far from full. Only 4% of the Uk is built on.
In relation to mass open door immigration.
Do they take the consumption with them or to they repatriate income and continue to consume in the EU where they get better value and provide for extended families?
Do they all contribute more to our pot than they take out? Are they all net contributors to the pot?
Do they all create new jobs and businesses or do they simply pick off employment opportunities, at the expense of local unemployment, being prepared to accept low rates of pay and poor living conditions. How much is lost in the black economy? How many are exploited?
The fact that only 4% is built on is irrelevant as the much of it can't, in the conventional sense be built on. We still need agricultural land. There is no demand in many regions. We are regularly seeing water rationing in many parts of England particularly the South East and Eastern England where the demand is highest. This is getting progressively more acute."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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