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  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    ukcarper wrote: »
    The changes come in, in 2017 anyone retiring before then won't get increase. In case of men anyone born before 1952.

    Funnily enough I was working on computers before a lot of you were born.

    Ukcarper, come on, morse code doesnt count....
  • ukcarper
    ukcarper Posts: 17,337 Forumite
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    PaulF81 wrote: »
    Ukcarper, come on, morse code doesnt count....

    Don't you share your birth year with IBM pc birth year or is 81 something else.
  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    Jennifer_Jane wrote: »
    Lots of things have been "unfair" on people, you just have to accept that. Some things are better for you and some things are worse for people.

    Imagine the uproar if the concept of the welfare was to be abandoned.

    No ones mentioned what might happen if the state cannot afford to pay the pension even at these levels.
  • MacMickster
    MacMickster Posts: 3,647 Forumite
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    Don't you share your birth year with IBM pc birth year or is 81 something else.

    Impolite Question isn't it?
    "When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    ukcarper wrote: »
    Don't you share your birth year with IBM pc birth year or is 81 something else.

    Yep. No valves in sight during my lifetime old bean.
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Imagine the uproar if the concept of the welfare was to be abandoned.

    No ones mentioned what might happen if the state cannot afford to pay the pension even at these levels.

    with a declining population and increasing burden on the state, the decision to cut services below sustainable levels wont be an option, so what people have found distasteful that I suggest, will come to pass I am afraid.

    unless everyone believes that population graph only ever goes up.
  • Jennifer_Jane
    Jennifer_Jane Posts: 3,237 Forumite
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    posh*spice wrote: »
    Indeed lots of things would seem to be unfair. For example, "You" didn't pay my (or my peers) tuition fees and I couldn't make you.

    Likewise, if me and my generation decide we don't want to pay for your pension then you can't make us.

    Then we will see just how unfair life can be.

    I have no idea what you are talking about: I actually don't understand your first paragraph. Of course I am contributing my taxes to the treasury pot, just as I am legally required to do so. Which "peer group" are you in. Am I somehow supposed to know this? Frankly, you sound like a toddler having a tantrum.

    But what you need to learn is, that I don't have to make you do anything. The Law will do that.
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    Jennifer_Jane wrote: »
    I have no idea what you are talking about: I actually don't understand your first paragraph. Of course I am contributing my taxes to the treasury pot, just as I am legally required to do so. Which "peer group" are you in. Am I somehow supposed to know this? Frankly, you sound like a toddler having a tantrum.

    But what you need to learn is, that I don't have to make you do anything. The Law will do that.

    Not if all the strivers emigrate (as they are already doing) leaving you with the dross and about 500,000 Romanians to pay the law wont.
  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    PaulF81 wrote: »
    with a declining population and increasing burden on the state, the decision to cut services below sustainable levels wont be an option, so what people have found distasteful that I suggest, will come to pass I am afraid.

    Aging population may be more apt. As fewer workers support those no longer actively economically employed.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    PaulF81 wrote: »
    Not if all the strivers emigrate (as they are already doing) leaving you with the dross and about 500,000 Romanians to pay the law wont.

    Aren't you leaving too? Why are you so bothered what happens to blighty?

    You will be enjoying the expat UAE and not contributing a further jot. Just make sure you keep up the private pension and medical insurance.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
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