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  • davemorton
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  • davemorton wrote: »
    K, best go get some shoes on. Think I'll be okay going to the pub in a onesiee?

    If you do we really need to see a picture of it. :rotfl:
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  • MKS wrote: »
    Thought it was me!

    Hi MKS I gave up on the them but I order the eye shadow and eye liner box set and used the code which took %10 off. I am pleased with what I got. I can use them for presents.
    Mortgage debt 45,000. Thank you all for your help so far in helping me save to buy the house. I could not have done this without all your help.
  • Savvybuyer
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    edited 20 January 2013 at 12:00AM
    buyitall wrote: »
    Hi all, hope you don't mind an occasional poster asking a question. The Freixenet Cordon Negra cava is £5 at Sada and £9.49 at T's. I don't live near an A's (which is why I don't often post on here as can't really participate in A-related talk), but I do like this cava. Does anyone know if it is likely to compare on a T's PP - the A's description says 'Freixenet Cordon Negro Cava' and the T's says 'Freixenet Cordon Negro Brut Cava' even though the pictures are the same. TIA xx

    Thank you for the question. I'm afraid "your guess is as good as..." on this. As you've picked up, the description is slightly different, by one word, and it all depends on what words T's own computer scrape of A's website goes on, as to whether the addition of "brut" makes T's system think it is something else entirely. You've got four words matching, but we don't know which words T's system is concentrating on.

    The pictures are the same, so it seems clear it is the same product, but unfortunately none of these computer scanners as far as I'm aware (MSM's for A, brandview's for Sains., and, as far as I know, T's own scan) - none of them pick up or go by pictures. It's very often slightly different words, or missing words or additional ones, that cause these systems to return N/A. This is always the reason why the problem has happened, whenever I've been on the phone to Sains in regards to their BM. It's always because an item (usu. one, very rarely two) has returned N/A because A's site (or T's) says "100" rather than "100ml" or because a word is slightly different. The best you can hope for, if you take a risk and it doesn't compare properly on T PP, is that T Cust Servs decide to refund you if you contact them.

    On a purely pedantic matter, the word "likely" perhaps means a chance of 30% or more (I've based this on - and here I go and dig something totally unrelated and unexpected out to support this - the Met Office definition, or something similar, of "likely" when they talked about it being "likely" that one of our summers would be very good, when it then turned out to be one of the worst as far as summers go. Needless to say, the fact the Met Office had qualified their prediction by using the word "likely" didn't hit home with many of the public.)

    Based on that view, that something is "likely" if, roughly, there is a 30% probability that it will happen, is it "likely" that the product will compare on T PP? Unfortunately - not very helpfully I know - I'd have to say it was pretty borderline to me as to whether this was "likely" or not. I think the one word "brut" leaves me with a lack of confidence that it will compare, but it may compare - although I'm unsure as to whether I'd say that was "likely" or not.

    Across this is the consideration of the amount of the difference between the two store's prices - put that against the "possibility" that the item will compare but also the worst case of the item not comparing, the amount you'd lose and the T CS then decide not to compensate you for this. Do you want to risk £4.49 (potentially)? Would it cost you £4.49 to travel to a Sada (even if not nearby) as a one-off? And also you won't need to pay for 6 or 7 filler items that you'd need to buy if you are to get a price match from T.

    It's "possible" the item will compare on T PP, although it's also "possible" that it won't. As to whether it "probably" will or "probably" won't, I'm not sure. It might do. But then again... About whether it is "likely" to compare, again it may be more remote of that happening rather than it being probable. However, none of this is much help and is semantics, that people like me pick on when really you just want a general answer.

    Bear in mind though that T PP does sometimes compare even when it 'shouldn't', e.g. Wholemeal Bread being compared to Sada's Brown Bread. This might mean the PP system would be more likely to pick up the Sada item as comparable than if it were the other way around and MSM were picking it up (but then again MSM's computer does sometimes pick up items, correctly, even if they are not precisely exactly the same worded). T PP compares - or at least it used to - Creamfields milk vs A's own brand (though MSM regards Creamfields as N/A for everywhere else than T).

    I'm afraid on the Freixenet, your guess is as good as mine (or anyone else's). Does it have the quantity on tosco.com and sada.com? This may be more important to the T PP system (but then again may not, who knows how it works?) and the T PP does say that they try to match every possible product.

    (MSM have picked up this product at T and A. There is also a Freixenet Brut Extra NV version (also 750ml), which suggests that it may be the "Cordon Negro" that may be significant: in which case, the T PP should pick up the item.

    But then again maybe the "Brut Cava" is what the system will think - and it may think this is clearly different to "Cava". However, this also assumes that the T PP system goes by the descriptions on tosco.com. It might not do so. There are items available in-store in T, which aren't on tosco.com, and yet these items still compare to some rival or other on T PP! Who's to say that the description on tosco.com is relevant at all?

    It may end up that T PP compares with S but not with A. The product is also on sains.co.uk: and it's also cheaper in S than T (although it's £6.32 and not the £5 you are aiming for). However, sains.co.uk says "Freixenet Cordon Negro Brut NV 75cl". Thus - it's also got the "Brut" that appears on t.com, but then it thinks it's non-vintage whereas the one on t.com (which is the same product) doesn't specifically say so in the description on t's website. It's a risk T vs A (or even T vs S), and personally I wouldn't take it - but then I do sometimes tend to be a very cautious guy. You might well buy it and, even if the T PP doesn't recognise it at A, you might find T CS do give you the amount back.

    I'd certainly advise you taking a screenshot of the product on A's website (the specific page, not only with the title description and the price but also the ingredients and the longer description around them on sada.com - this clearly matches what it says on t.com, although I think sadly the scrapes don't pick all that up). You're right though - it is the same product at the various stores. Best of luck, and sorry to provide such a vague answer rather than being able to provide a definitive.
  • henrik777
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    Savvybuyer wrote: »
    Thank you for the question. I'm afraid "your guess is as good as..." on this. As you've picked up, the description is slightly different, by one word, and it all depends on what words T's own computer scrape of A's website goes on, as to whether the addition of "brut" makes T's system think it is something else entirely. You've got four words matching, but we don't know which words T's system is concentrating on.

    The pictures are the same, so it seems clear ir is the same product, but unfortunately none of these computer scanners as far as I'm aware (MSM's for A, brandview's for Sains., and, as far as I know, T's own scan) - none of them pick up or go by pictures. It's very often slightly different words, or missing words or additional ones, that cause these systems to return N/A. This is always the reason why the problem has happened, whenever I've been on Sains in regards to their BM. It's always because an item (usu. one, very rarely two) has returned N/A because A's site (or T's) says "100" rather than "100ml" or because a word is slightly different. The best you can hope for, if you take a risk and it doesn't compare properly on T PP, is that T Cust Servs decide to refund you if you contact them.

    On a purely pedantic matter, the word "likely" perhaps means a chance of 30% or more (I've based this on - and here I go and dig something totally unrelated and unexpected out to support this - the Met Office definition, or something similar, of "likely" when they talked about it being "likely" that one of our summers would be very good, when it then turned out to be one of the worst as far as summers go. Needless to say, the fact the Met Office had qualified their prediction by using the word "likely" didn't hit home with many of the public.)

    Based on that view, that something is "likely" if, roughly, there is a 30% probability that it will happen, is it "likely" that the product will compare on T PP? Unfortunately - not very helpfully I know - I'd have to say it was pretty borderline to me as to whether this was "likely" or not. I think the one word "brut" leaves me with a lack of confidence that it will compare, but it may compare - although I'm unsure as to whether I'd say that was "likely" or not.

    Across this is the consideration of the amount of the difference between the two store's prices - put that against the "possibility" that the item will compare but also the worst case of the item not comparing, the amount you'd lose and the T CS then decide not to compensate you for this. Do you want to risk £4.49 (potentially)? Would it cost you £4.49 to travel to a Sada (even if not nearby) as a one-off? And also you won't need to pay for 6 or 7 filler items that you'd need to buy if you are to get a price match from T.

    It's "possible" the item will compare on T PP, although it's also "possible" that it won't. As to whether it "probably" will or "probably" won't, I'm not sure. It might do. But then again... About whether it is "likely" to compare, again it may be more remote of that happening rather than it being probable. However, none of this is much help and is semantics, that people like me pick on when really you just want a general answer.

    Bear in mind though that T PP does sometimes compare even when it 'shouldn't', e.g. Wholemeal Bread being compared to Sada's Brown Bread. This might mean the PP system would be more likely to pick up the Sada item as comparable than if it were the other way around and MSM were picking it up (but then again MSM's computer does sometimes pick up items, correctly, even if they are not precisely exactly the same worded). T PP compares - or at least it used to - Creamfields milk vs A's own brand (though MSM regards Creamfields as N/A for everywhere else than T).

    I'm afraid on the Freixenet, your guess is as good as mine (or anyone else's). Does it have the quantity on tosco.com and sada.com? This may be more important to the T PP system (but then again may not, who knows how it works?) and the T PP does say that they try to match every possible product.

    (MSM have picked up this product at T and A. There is also a Freixenet Brut Extra NV version (also 750ml), which suggests that it may be the "Cordon Negro" that may be significant: in which case, the T PP should pick up the item.

    But then again maybe the "Brut Cava" is what the system will think - and it may think this is clearly different to "Cava". However, this also assumes that the T PP system goes by the descriptions on tosco.com. It might not do so. There are items available in-store in T, which aren't on tosco.com, and yet these items still compare to some rival or other on T PP! Who's to say that the description on tosco.com is relevant at all?

    It may end up that T PP compares with S but not with A. The product is also on sains.co.uk: and it's also cheaper in S than T (although it's £6.32 and not the £5 you are aiming for). However, sains.co.uk says "Freixenet Cordon Negro Brut NV 75cl". Thus - it's also got the "Brut" that appears on t.com, but then it thinks it's non-vintage whereas the one on t.com (which is the same product) doesn't specifically say so in the description on t's website. It's a risk T vs A (or even T vs S), and personally I wouldn't take it - but then I do sometimes tend to be a very cautious guy. You might well buy it and, even if the T PP doesn't recognise it at A, you might find T CS do give you the amount back.

    I'd certainly advise you taking a screenshot of the product on A's website (the specific page, not only with the title description and the price but also the ingredients and the longer description around them on sada.com - this clearly matches what it says on t.com, although I think sadly the scrapes don't pick all that up). You're right though - it is the same product at the various stores. Best of luck, and sorry to provide such a vague answer rather than being able to provide a definitive.


    To summarise :- Maybe.
  • MKS
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    they should give you £2 voucher for overcharge hun xx
    Hi, glad to see you posting again.
  • MKS
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    davemorton wrote: »
    What a lovely thought, I'll join you in a drink to Nan. :beer:
    :beer::beer::beer:
  • G'night all xxx
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  • FloFlo
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    henrik777 wrote: »
    To summarise :- Maybe.

    :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
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