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  • Coastalwatch
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    edited 4 November 2022 at 12:02PM
    A question has just occurred to me. In building a nuclear power station, is the environmental affect of pouring so much concrete a) significant and b) ever debated in the green credentials of nuclear?
    From EDF's own figures of CO2 emmisions then I believe purely from the construction side a figure of 6 million tonnes plus was stated. Once complete and generating at full capacity then based on todays Grid emmisions it would take six years to "repay" this debt. Assuming it would be a decade before any generation took place then with the increasing contribution of RE to the mix and hence a cleaner Grid resulting we can but calculate that it would take considerably longer.
    In addition the emmisions stated did not include those of contractors vehicles travelling to and from site on a daily basis for the decade or so it would take to construct.
    Sadly these figures only exacerbate the already difficult situation regarding CO2 levels now, so to claim the emmisions will be offset in two decades time has a rather hollow ring to it in my very humble view.
    In comparison a Wind turbine takes 6 to 8 months to offset it's emmisions and be generating within a year or two of being given the go ahead.

    East coast, lat 51.97. 8.26kw SSE, 23° pitch + 0.59kw WSW vertical. Nissan Leaf plus Zappi charger and 2 x ASHP's. Givenergy 8.2 & 9.5 kWh batts, 2 x 3 kW ac inverters. Indra V2H . CoCharger Host, Interest in Ripple Energy & Abundance.
  • Coastalwatch
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    Oh well, a glimmer of hope while it lasted I suppose! :(
    Mind you I seem to remember the Theresa May government activating a review into Hinckley C so wasn't holding out too much hope. I wonder how many years it will be until it actually comes on line and what the final cost might turn out to be should the government of the day ever release the figures.

    Sizewell C: Government denies new nuclear plant under review.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63507630

    East coast, lat 51.97. 8.26kw SSE, 23° pitch + 0.59kw WSW vertical. Nissan Leaf plus Zappi charger and 2 x ASHP's. Givenergy 8.2 & 9.5 kWh batts, 2 x 3 kW ac inverters. Indra V2H . CoCharger Host, Interest in Ripple Energy & Abundance.
  • JKenH
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    I’m all for solar PV on car parks; it’s a great fit with industry, office and school hours but not with peak demand. Why not mandate battery storage at the same time? To me it seems these initiatives are politically motivated instead of being thought through fully. 
    Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)
  • 2nd_time_buyer
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    edited 9 November 2022 at 12:18PM
    Yes, interesting point about how many nuclear reactors. On one hand solar generates during the day, so I guess 1gwh of day time energy is more useful than 1gwh of night time energy. Perhaps winter GWh might be more valuable than summer, tipping favour towards wind. Increasingly , you might expect "guaranteed" energy such as FF and nuclear to command a higher value than flighty renewables. I am not sure where I am going with this, other we might be moving into territory where all GWh are not born equal.
  • JKenH
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    QrizB said:
    JKenH said:
    I’m all for solar PV on car parks...
    Yes, me too. It also keeps cars cooler in summer so there's less demand for in-car a/c which will indirectly reduce emissions.
    ... it’s a great fit with industry, office and school hours but not with peak demand. Why not mandate battery storage at the same time?
    If you can persuade EVs to plug in while parked under the canopy, you can (in effect) store in their batteries. No need to add additional stationary batteries to the system. (Not so helpful at weekends and holidays, admittedly.)
    Interesting idea. Each car parking space could generate around 2.5kW in good weather so potentially 40% of the spaces could be given over to EV charging. It would be attractive to those drivers unable to charge at home and if it were cheap enough could also appeal to those who already have domestic charging facilities. 

    The issue might however be how to set the rate for charging. If it were a flat rate all year round then when the sun goes in the car park operator would be subsidising the cost (and increasing day time demand on the grid) or could he turn the chargers off? An ideal situation for smart charging perhaps tailored to the output from the panels with the opportunity for the driver to elect to pay for any electricity at a higher rate when insufficient solar was available (a bit like the options available on a Zappi charger: a) pure solar or nothing, b) a constant charge at minimum 1.4kw increasing when the sun comes out, or c) a full 6.6kw charge.
    Northern Lincolnshire. 7.8 kWp system, (4.2 kw west facing panels , 3.6 kw east facing), Solis inverters, Solar IBoost water heater, Mitsubishi SRK35ZS-S and SRK20ZS-S Wall Mounted Inverter Heat Pumps, ex Nissan Leaf owner)
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