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Isolation from Europe wouldn't be splendid for the UK?
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“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
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mystic_trev wrote: »Maybe not
according to our old friend Jacques Delors!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9769458/Jacques-Delors-Britain-could-leave-the-European-Union.html
Good old Jacques. He was/is an incorrigible federalist, but also a pragmatist who had patience, in contrast to the lightweight non-entities who are running the show now.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »...while providing an open door policy for immigrants we can't cope with.
I'm not sure if this is a UK issue per-se. All I do know is people are currently in France, in tents, waiting to get the to UK. The french won't entertain them, so I'm not sure why we will. Maybe our generous welfare state is the real issue and not the EU?
I suspect there is another reason as well - most (if not all) other countries teach English as a second language, not French/German/.Italian/etc. Therefore to stand a chance of being able to understand people in a country to which they choose to migrate, choosing one where most people speak English is probably a better bet than one which doesn't.0 -
I suspect there is another reason as well - most (if not all) other countries teach English as a second language, not French/German/.Italian/etc. Therefore to stand a chance of being able to understand people in a country to which they choose to migrate, choosing one where most people speak English is probably a better bet than one which doesn't.
True. But Australia, New Zealand etc don't seem to have the same issues.
Do Ireland have the same issues? I dunno - literally because I've never heard of it being a problem in Ireland. If they don't have the same issues, then certainly it would have to be put down to something unique about the UK.0 -
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Graham_Devon wrote: »True. But Australia, New Zealand etc don't seem to have the same issues.
I was meaning why there appears to be more internal European immigration to the UK rather than other EU countries, not immigration outside Europe.
Oz, NZ, etc don't have EU rules to follow, also it's somewhat further to go.
I suspect that's at least partly because to get to Ireland from mainland Europe, the easiest way is via the UK.Do Ireland have the same issues? I dunno - literally because I've never heard of it being a problem in Ireland. If they don't have the same issues, then certainly it would have to be put down to something unique about the UK.0 -
I was meaning why there appears to be more internal European immigration to the UK rather than other EU countries, .
There appears to be because the Daily Fail and the UKIP muppets stoke baseless fears in the general population about the UK being over-run with immigrants.
Whereas reality is completely different.
The UK is nowhere near the top of the list in Europe in terms of foreign citizens as a percentage of the total population.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The UK is nowhere near the top of the list in Europe in terms of foreign citizens as a percentage of the total population.
But in terms of actual numbers rather than as the proportion of population, the UK is 3rd behind only Germany and Spain.0 -
But in terms of actual numbers rather than as the proportion of population, the UK is 3rd behind only Germany and Spain.
Much as you'd expect from one of the larger countries and top economies in Europe.
But actual numbers are a bit meaningless in terms of judging impact aren't they?
After all 100 immigrants moving into a village of 100 people would certainly be noticed.... While 100 immigrants in a society of 100 million would be utterly inconsequential.
We're always told by the [STRIKE]racists[/STRIKE] sorry, "people concerned about the impacts of immigration" ( :rotfl: ) that we have uncontrolled immigration and that the UK is a mecca for immigrants, attracting far more than our fair share.
Except that's really b0ll0cks though isn't it?
That chart proves we attract pretty much exactly our fair share on a per capita basis.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
But in terms of actual numbers rather than as the proportion of population, the UK is 3rd behind only Germany and Spain.
Net migration is also a good one to look at:
Who's got the highest figures?
And so is total immigrants....
Hiding behind percentages is OK Hamish, but this says it all.....
Am I a racist again!? Doh!0
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