Can employer force you to work day off .

SarEl

LannieDuck wrote: »

I think he'll be in trouble for letting his boss drive over to collect him.

If I've got this right, he told his manager he couldn't work because he had no transport, manager offered to collect him, he didn't say no (?), and infact gave manager his details to facilitate this.

The manager went out of his way to accommodate him, and your son let him do it, knowing full well it would be a wasted journey. That's a pretty rubbish thing to do.

I'm afraid that despite this not being exactly what the OP said, this is the interpretation I put on it too - that he actually agreed to work and willingly gave the address that he was sleeping over at so that his manager could pick him up. So if he is lucky he'll have a somewhat annoyed manager. If he isn't, I'd expect a disciplinary. And not much he can do about it. If he meant "no I cannot work that day", then that is exactly, and all, he should have said.

j.e.j.

tight_scotsman wrote: »

when i clock out for my rest days i dont take any calls from work.

Sounds sensible. Nothing wrong with doing a bit of overtime, but a lot of employers do take the proverbial.

It sounds to me like the OP's son perhaps wasn't assertive enough and the manager was a little pushy.

JDC14

If he had plans, it was his regular day-off and they weren't short of staff they just wanted an extra body to clean, it's not exactly leaving them in the lurch to say no, so I would've politely decline.

If the manager got pushy, then I'd have walked away and been even more unwilling to help in the future, whether I could or not.

Now, with the incident of the manager turning up. Did your son agree to this? I can understand if the manager asked where he lived and went "Well, the 37 bus goes right by there, and stops just down the road from here" and it was a viable option. But if he didn't make clear, his intentions, to offer your son a lift, then again, manager's issue. But if your son was aware of that, it was his own fault.

I wouldn't have recommended the rocking up hungover, (depending on his job, I've done it before on a Saturday job which was quite laid back).

I've kind of lost my train of thought now, so I kind of hope you see where I'm going with it!

LannieDuck

SarEl wrote: »

I'm afraid that despite this not being exactly what the OP said, this is the interpretation I put on it too - that he actually agreed to work and willingly gave the address that he was sleeping over at so that his manager could pick him up. So if he is lucky he'll have a somewhat annoyed manager. If he isn't, I'd expect a disciplinary. And not much he can do about it. If he meant "no I cannot work that day", then that is exactly, and all, he should have said.

Yes, I agree there were a couple of assumptions in my post. I was going to be a bit more circumspect, but decided to forgo that in favour of a question mark :cool:

I'm trying to imagine a different scenario under which the manager asks for the son's address, and the son gives it whilst at the same time being unaware that the manager plans to pick them up. Maybe there is one, but I can't see it.

TrickyWicky

Drunken_Daisy wrote: »

Can anyone please advise me of where he stands legally with this ?

At the employers mercy like everyone else these days thats where.

There are so many others out of work that it's easy to replace people and the government made that even easier with the 12 month rule being changed to 24 months before you can use a employment tribunal. In effect it's a licence to fire anyone for anything.

AP007

TrickyWicky wrote: »

At the employers mercy like everyone else these days thats where.

There are so many others out of work that it's easy to replace people and the government made that even easier with the 12 month rule being changed to 24 months before you can use a employment tribunal. In effect it's a licence to fire anyone for anything.

that was only if you started the job this year I think the OP said he'd been there 20 months?

yvonne13_2

OP have you got an update for us as I'm sure this information may help others in the same predicament.

tight_scotsman

mountainofdebt wrote: »

Good advicefor someone who has either the specialisation or experience that their employer craves.

Not so good for someone who can be easily replaced.

My job has statutory rest periods and if i am disturbed then i can demand my rest period starts again.

anyway if they do fone me at home i just say i have consumed alcohol even if i havnt and there is nowt they can do about it.

The guy should have never given them there postcode to get picked up in the first place

denla

tight_scotsman wrote: »

My job has statutory rest periods and if i am disturbed then i can demand my rest period starts again.

anyway if they do fone me at home i just say i have consumed alcohol even if i havnt and there is nowt they can do about it.

The guy should have never given them there postcode to get picked up in the first place

Lol. Yes there is something the employer can do about it. Sack OP. Alcohol isn't a valid excuse.

RichardD1970

tight_scotsman wrote: »

My job has statutory rest periods and if i am disturbed then i can demand my rest period starts again.

anyway if they do fone me at home i just say i have consumed alcohol even if i havnt and there is nowt they can do about it.

The guy should have never given them there postcode to get picked up in the first place

Completely different scenario, the manager didn't phone him at home but told him that he was required for work whilst he was at work.

He then gave the manager the address at which he was staying, which would imply that he agreed for the manager to pick him up. Which in turn implies that he agreed to work. So we are not talking about a manager phoning/turning up out of the blue.

Where he stands legally, I don't know, I suppose it depends what his contract says and what company policy is.

With the job market like it is, showing willing to help out goes a long way and could have been used as a bargaining tool later if a similar situation arose or he needed some flexibility from his manager.