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Good I'm glad you agree with me. You wouldn't work any harder unless you were literally forced to.
You have confirmed the point I was making, that increasing tax doesn't improve anything, it's simply a disincentive to work.
Increasing tax is basically the only idea that morons in nu-labor can come up with since they don't have the faintest, not the FAINTEST idea of how to actually create an environment that encourages innovation & enterprise. All they understand & all they want to understand is the politics of envy.
Unfortunately increasing tax always has lots of fans - those people who would far rather whine in envy at anyone who's worked to improve their situation than actually get off their butt & work themselves. It doesn't bother them in the slightest that the top earners already pay astronomical tax and far far more tax than the whingers do. (And of course many of the whingers pay nothing into they system at all, they simulatanously leech off the system and moan endlessly about how unfair it is). They have no shame & just want an ever-increasing slice of what someone else worked for.
Pathetic really.
For the average bloke in the street that is paying income tax 1% given here, 1% taken there, increase in one allowance reduction in another makes very little difference in the scheme of things.
I very much doubt whether it makes you want to work more or less.
Whether you consider it astronomical tax or fair tax is obviously open for debate. They more because they earn more.
The only people who seem to scream about tax rates are the ones on the highest rates.
As pqrdef points out " If you make more money, you pay a higher proportion in tax. It's called progressive taxation and it's generally considered fair"."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »
The only people who seem to scream about tax rates are the ones on the highest rates.
Well, um, duh. Of course it's the people on the highest rates who complain most about them, they're the one's paying them.
Not that I am incidentally, but I'd like us to have an environment that rewards achievement rather than taxes it to the eyeballs & simultaneously slags off the people paying the most into the system.0 -
Actually I said the opposite.You have confirmed the point I was making, that increasing tax doesn't improve anything, it's simply a disincentive to work.
True, but unfortunately Dave & Gideon haven't got the slightest idea either.Increasing tax is basically the only idea that morons in nu-labor can come up with since they don't have the faintest, not the FAINTEST idea of how to actually create an environment that encourages innovation & enterprise.
A lot of people would find it hard to use "work" and "improve their situation" in the same sentence. They work because they have to, not because they find the experience life-enhancing.anyone who's worked to improve their situation
We who remember when basic rate was 40% and top rate was 90% laugh at the idea that current rates are astronomical. We mutter stuff like "These young people today, don't know they're born" and then start reciting the Four Yorkshiremen.It doesn't bother them in the slightest that the top earners already pay astronomical tax"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
That would be nice. But we aren't fooled. We know that many businesses are run by mediocrities whose only achievement is climbing the greasy pole. We know how many senior management meetings are just the blind leading the blind, a bunch of bluffers who don't get caught because nobody else knows any better.I'd like us to have an environment that rewards achievement
We've watched the property !!!!!!, and seen the bizarre amounts of money being sloshed around by very ordinary people with non-jobs and a massive sense of entitlement. A lot of them are consultants, and we've seen consultants in action and we aren't impressed.
We've seen the offspring of these people, who think a university place is an automatic right despite their lack of talent.
The Big Lie has been exposed. The Tory class isn't a meritocracy, it's just a corrupt self-perpetuating caste that looks after its own.
And of course actual entrepreneurs live off business expenses and don't pay tax anyway. So no, we won't get too upset at the thought of the parasites paying more tax."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Well, um, duh. Of course it's the people on the highest rates who complain most about them, they're the one's paying them.
Not that I am incidentally, but I'd like us to have an environment that rewards achievement rather than taxes it to the eyeballs & simultaneously slags off the people paying the most into the system.
But many more pay standard rate tax and get on with it.
Many more people have been drawn into the 40% tax band by successive governments. There is obvious indignation of the way the new child benefit rules have been introduced but most of them get on with it.
Personal allowances fall away at £100k but again not much mention.
Then go to income above £150K and all hell lets lose, when most of these should have the ability to mitigate elements of the tax. This is for income above £150k, not all of it."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
A lot of people would find it hard to use "work" and "improve their situation" in the same sentence. They work because they have to, not because they find the experience life-enhancing.
More fool them then, there's nothing whatsoever stopping anyone finding a job they enjoy. Especially in the UK where the opportunities are endless. Only pathetic whinging losers go on about how terrible it is to work. Actually every study ever done pretty much agrees that doing a job you find enjoyable is a key element in making most people happy (far more so than, for example, being rich enough to not have to work).
Everything else you wrote was basically one class-war cliche after another that I can't be bothered replying to TBH. All the tedious stuff about rich Tories, like the Labour party is any differerent. Very sad.0 -
In reply to grizzly, I'm not totally clear what point your making but for starters I'd like to see, just once, the class warriors in the UK thank those evil super-rich for all the money they pump into the system. That'd be a nice start.
Think the words would stick in their throat though, they can't get past the hatred and envy.0 -
In reply to grizzly, I'm not totally clear what point your making but for starters I'd like to see, just once, the class warriors in the UK thank those evil super-rich for all the money they pump into the system. That'd be a nice start.
Think the words would stick in their throat though, they can't get past the hatred and envy.
When the country is slowly sinking it is nice to seethe gates being locked on steerage. Women and children of the rich in the lifeboats first, followed by their husbands.
Just how much do people need to feel rich and successful? When does it end, there will always be someone richer than them.
The mid rate tax band 40% is rapidly absorbing more and more of the middle hard working population. New graduates will soon be paying marginal rates of 51% while struggling to make their way but that is OK?
A few high earners, who can afford it, squeal and it tax is simply reduced."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
How many moons does your planet have?More fool them then, there's nothing whatsoever stopping anyone finding a job they enjoy. Especially in the UK where the opportunities are endless.
Who said the Labour party was any different? A Tory is a Tory, whoever they vote for.Everything else you wrote was basically one class-war cliche after another that I can't be bothered replying to TBH. All the tedious stuff about rich Tories, like the Labour party is any differerent. Very sad.
The working classes gave up on class war and settled for an employment tribunal, a ticky-tacky box and a Ford Escort. It's Tories who're intent on keeping class war going. Dave's mob came to power with a whole raft of policies based on the logic of an Eton schoolboy debating society and no understanding of the real world at all."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »When the country is slowly sinking it is nice to seethe
Try getting off your butt & doing something instead.I'm a moron who really really hates everyone with money
Might have been paraphrasing everythinng pqrdef has ever said there. Or not.0
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