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Newsnight... The shortage in housing
homelessskilledworker
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01p67nw/Newsnight_28_11_2012/
Worth a watch, at last a housing minister who has a little passion and understanding of the crisis with housing in the UK.
Worth a watch, at last a housing minister who has a little passion and understanding of the crisis with housing in the UK.
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homelessskilledworker wrote: »http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01p67nw/Newsnight_28_11_2012/
Worth a watch, at last a housing minister who has a little passion and understanding of the crisis with housing in the UK.
Understands issue (not enough accommodation) but was out of his depth.
Already being done here.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4314583
Had ideas but weren't really thought through, typical of government thinking."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Understands issue (not enough accommodation) but was out of his depth.
Already being done here.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4314583
Had ideas but weren't really thought through, typical of government thinking.
Actually I thought he did rather well. He knows his stuff fairly well, the only point was he was unwilling to say that 3% is an area the size of London which I really think is neither here nor there.
Far better than the decades of Labour folks complacency saying there is no shortage/ problem at all.0 -
Far better than the decades of Labour folks complacency saying there is no shortage/ problem at all.
Absolutely right. Another damaging Labour legacy about which their apologists are in denial.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Actually I thought he did rather well. He knows his stuff fairly well, the only point was he was unwilling to say that 3% is an area the size of London which I really think is neither here nor there.
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Or the size of Devon?
Somewhere the size of either is a pretty big area. but as Boles said that isn't important. Actual detail never is.
The other commentators seemed to know their facts."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Or the size of Devon?
Somewhere the size of either is a pretty big area. but as Boles said that isn't important. Actual detail never is.
The other commentators seemed to know their facts.
So what? If there is a need for houses there is a need for houses.
Perhaps you'd like to bring in a 1 child/ house policy to reduce the need for houses?
Or euthanasia?0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Absolutely right. Another damaging Labour legacy about which their apologists are in denial.
After Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister in May 1979, the legislation to implement the Right to Buy was passed in the Housing Act 1980. The sale price of a council house was based on its market valuation but also included a discount to reflect the rents paid by tenants and also to encourage take-up. The legislation gave council tenants the right to buy their council house at a discounted value, depending on how long they had been living in the house, with the proviso that if they sold their house before a minimum period had expired they would have to pay back a proportion of the discount. The sales were an attractive deal for tenants and hundreds of thousands of homes were sold. The policy is regarded as one of the major points of Thatcherism.
Proceeds of the sales were paid to the local authorities, but they were restricted to spending the money to reduce their debt until it was cleared, rather than being able to spend it on building more homes. The effect was to reduce the council housing stock, especially in areas where property prices were high such as London and the south-east of England.
200,000 council houses were sold to their tenants in 1982, and by 1987, more than 1,000,000 council houses in Britain had been sold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Buy
Of course it all the fault of labour alone.
I know why it was done but nothing resilient was set up to replace that need and requirement."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »After Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister in May 1979, the legislation to implement the Right to Buy was passed in the Housing Act 1980. The sale price of a council house was based on its market valuation but also included a discount to reflect the rents paid by tenants and also to encourage take-up. The legislation gave council tenants the right to buy their council house at a discounted value, depending on how long they had been living in the house, with the proviso that if they sold their house before a minimum period had expired they would have to pay back a proportion of the discount. The sales were an attractive deal for tenants and hundreds of thousands of homes were sold. The policy is regarded as one of the major points of Thatcherism.
Proceeds of the sales were paid to the local authorities, but they were restricted to spending the money to reduce their debt until it was cleared, rather than being able to spend it on building more homes. The effect was to reduce the council housing stock, especially in areas where property prices were high such as London and the south-east of England.
200,000 council houses were sold to their tenants in 1982, and by 1987, more than 1,000,000 council houses in Britain had been sold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Buy
Of course it all the fault of labour alone.
That was all donkeys years ago. What did Labour do in their subsequent thirteen years to rectify the situation and prevent the housing shortage that we are experiencing now :-
(a) Diddly Squat
(b) Make it worse by mass immigration & subsidies for procreation
(c) Don't know / in denial.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »That was all donkeys years ago. What did Labour do in their subsequent thirteen years to rectify the situation and prevent the housing shortage that we are experiencing now :-
(a) Diddly Squat
(b) Make it worse by mass immigration & subsidies for procreation
(c) Don't know / in denial.
Pretty much the same as the Conservatives would have done then. Leaving it to the free market is a resounding success obviously."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Pretty much the same as the Conservatives would have done then. Leaving it to the free market is a resounding success obviously.
I can't say what the Conservatives would have done in office 1997-2010. But based on the coalition's policies so far, despite the LibDem bucket of sand around its neck, the policies on immigration and subsidising of procreation are clearly less likely to lead to overpopulation=housing shortage than Labour's did. Maybe they are not doing enough in those respects, but as I said the Conservatives do have a bucket of sand around their neck.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
So what? If there is a need for houses there is a need for houses.
Perhaps you'd like to bring in a 1 child/ house policy to reduce the need for houses?
Or euthanasia?
Neither of your options.
I agree that if it needs doing it needs doing.
It would be nice to know that Boles actually understands the impact of "his" blue sky thinking.
His local press and electorate seem to think a lot about him too.
Local reaction to the Grantham Journal was over-ridingly negative with vehement criticism in the letters page including "Because he is one of Cameron’s Cronies, he appears to believe that he can get away with absolutely anything.Every time this man opens his mouth, he spouts utter drivel, Why couldn’t the Tory selectors have sent us a Genghis Khan figure, not this useless lightweight?"[15]
Correspondence to the Stamford Mercury was similarly critical. "This will be the first time I have never voted for a Conservative candidate in more than 50 years.I hope that the damage he has done to the party will not affect the jobs of local and district conservative councillors who do a good job and will continue to receive my vote. I have not seen Mr Boles do any good for the constituency or anyone in his constituency and suggests he gives up politics and finds a job he can do properly. He is certainly no good as an MP."[17] and "Mr Boles, like many other politicians live in a world detached from reality, an insular existence devoid of the harsh pressures of life. This detachment will inevitably be their downfall. Fewer and fewer people will cast their vote at General Elections in this century as politicians become more and more extraneous.".[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Boles
I am glad he represents a Lincolnshire constituency I can escalate some local planning application issues to him."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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