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I'm viewing 2 lots of agricultural land tomorrow with a view to holding and tyring for permission later or sub dividing and selling on using a dedicated website I would create, something along the lines of small gift parcels for the grandchild or something.
I guess those large plots of land with a farmhouse on will be popular, the way it is going that you can live in the farmhouse with plenty of land doing 'what it takes' to get planning permission :eek: There are possibly going to be some huge winners in the great 'green belt' givaway, probably was in the 60's as well.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
the_flying_pig wrote: »i'm not sure that's right.
people need infrastructure. houses, in the main, don't.
it's people who drive the cars that make the roads busy, who take up school places and hospital beds, who throw out rubbish that needs collecting & disposing of, who generate sewage & waste water, & so on.
a million people squashed into [say] 250,000 houses create more or less exactly the same pressure on infrastructure as a million people living comfortably in 400,000 houses. unless in the 'insufficient housing' scenario people are also banned from driving cars & so on.
But it doesn't work that way and if you build new houses in an area people will move to that area.
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More houses should be built in SE England. It's where the jobs are and where people want to live. It's near impossible to build houses in that part of the country at present.
You can build a house for £50-£100,000 easily plus land. If the price of building land falls, which is what will happen if more is made available by changing planning rules, then more houses can be built at a price people can afford.
Have you visited Ashford Gen?, in the last 15-20 years they have built thousands of houses ,it wasn't that long ago that it was a village, population now is 112,000 and increasing daily with more newbuilds.
Apart from the M20 the road network is !!!!!. Travel West and you get to Hastings and the dreaded A21 which for decades has been a carpark, the road network is a nightmare.
I really can't see house prices reducing just because more land is released for building as the volume housebuilders want to maximise profits and people will flock to the SE as its the land of milk and honey.0 -
Radiantsoul wrote: »But cities are nice. They offer opportunities for leisure as well as work. And cities can offer a wider range of consumption options, so a village might just have a village pub but London can support restaurants with foods from all over the world.
Telecommuting will offer some benefits, but I doubt it will encourage people to live in Bradford.
Bradford no doubt has food from all over the world and I am sure it ha much to commend it. However you are probably right."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I'm viewing 2 lots of agricultural land tomorrow with a view to holding and tyring for permission later or sub dividing and selling on using a dedicated website I would create, something along the lines of small gift parcels for the grandchild or something.
It seems agri land is all of a sudden flying off the shelves. The very worse can happen is I own a piece a land I can camp on (the one I have in mind has nice coniferous woodland too), and one day sell it on or just keep it for fun. I am checking on what the ongoing upkeep costs will be but they so far don't onerous. Other ideas could be a karting track / archery centre / camp site / climbing centre. They don't make land anymore so I forsee the demand for ones only little bit of English land increasing sharply.
Agri land is certainly on demand, in many areas and the price is steadily increasing.:)"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »He didnt say boomers by name for fear of provoking Boomer Armageddon, but I think when he mentioned appealing to homeowners better nature by making them think of their kids and grandkids its pretty clear who he means.
When it comes to high house prices, boomers have benefitted.
Pretty clear to young lefties with chips on their shoulders perhaps. To people with some objectivity his comments appear to be aimed at anyone who does not want more countryside turned over to building of private dwellings. That is no doubt a bread range of ages and types. But let's not let the facts and objectivity stand in the way of a good wind-up and spleen-venting, eh.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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ruggedtoast wrote: »Oh but its not a suggestion Carper, its a soon to be reality.
There seem to be plenty of green bits on this map, I imagine some of them might even be near you.
http://goo.gl/maps/yxV1W
The Cotswolds.
We hold an acre, you never know, might get planning permission much easier now.0 -
But it doesn't work that way and if you build new houses in an area people will move to that area.
I have no idea what you mean. We are talking about housing for people who already exist, who are already pressure on infrastructure somewhere. If the houses are built in the places that these people are already living, under relatively crowded conditions, the pressure on infrastructure will not change.FACT.0 -
Drip-feeding newly-released agricultural land in the southeast won't lower prices, it will simply fuel more demand as more people get drawn in.
The rhetoric may be spot on but his conclusion doen't achieve the aims.
If anyone seriously wanted to solve the housing problem, which of course they don't, then the answer is to nationalise all land and property and allocate it on the basis of need. If there isn't enough then the nationalised British Housebuilding Corporation would build it wherever it was needed.This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
the_flying_pig wrote: »I have no idea what you mean. We are talking about housing for people who already exist, who are already pressure on infrastructure somewhere. If the houses are built in the places that these people are already living, under relatively crowded conditions, the pressure on infrastructure will not change.
Are people living in overcrowded conditions in the area where the housing will be built probably not. Look at many of the towns outside London a lot of people moved to them from nearer London and the population in those areas increased considerably.
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