Scots enjoy £1,600 extra per head than their English counterparts

IveSeenTheLight

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Cameron says he doesn't want it because he's pretty sure of a "No" vote and doesn't want to alienate the few up there who have right wing tendencies.

Milliband doesn't want it because it makes the rest of the UK more or less Conservative in perpetuity.

Clegg doesn't want it because..... [who cares?]

Hmmmmmm.

If your reasoning for Milliband is true, why then wouldn't Cameron want it?

Doesn't make sense to me.

What does make sense is the financial figures showing Scotland as the third top area (not my designations) providing GVA to the UK

IveSeenTheLight

Rotor wrote: »

Mean average is mean average if it's 50 million people or 5 million. Calling Scotland a ' region' simply means you can keep Scottish centres of prosperity ( Edinburgh, Aberdeeen) whilst excluding English ones from the comparisons

I didn't regionalise the areas for the GVA data.

Of course Scotlands centres of prosperity are mean averaged in the Scottish region by the centres less prosperous.

I'm not looking / trying to segregate from them.

You can't argue however that Scotlands GVA is higher than most of England's regions.

Graham_Devon

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

You can't argue however that Scotlands GVA is higher than most of England's regions.

No, but it would be, wouldn't it, as you are, as stated, taking all of Scotland, and then comparing it against regions.

You need to take all of scotland, and all of england, wales, etc.

We could do the same the other way around, comparing say Yorkshire to the Highlands. Quite rightly, you'd soon be pointing out the issues.

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

No, but it would be, wouldn't it, as you are, as stated, taking all of Scotland, and then comparing it against regions.

You need to take all of scotland, and all of england, wales, etc.

We could do the same the other way around, comparing say Yorkshire to the Highlands. Quite rightly, you'd soon be pointing out the issues.

Graham,
I didn't set the regionalisation, but I see your jumping on this argument point.

Search UK GVA and see how the figures are represented.

Is this another one of your (I don't like the figures so want to see them broken up differently)

Note I'm not making the point that the English Regions should be split up into counties, neither does the ONS data split the data into coutnies (well not in their report, although you see a snippet in the variance)

Here, I'll help you
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/regional-accounts/regional-gross-value-added--income-approach-/december-2010/sbd-regional-gva-dec-2011.pdf

Graham_Devon

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Is this another one of your (I don't like the figures so want to see them broken up differently)

No, that appears to be your issue on this thread, ignoring the figures given in the OP and jumping to some other figures.

Scotland is a country. England is a country. To compare one against the other, you have to do just that. Not compare a country against a region. That's pretty obvious, no?

If you compare country to country and still come up with the same conclusion, you may have a point.

sss555s

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

To give some perspective.
GVA by region: -

Scotland19 744 ($30,468)
East of England18,591 ($28,689)
South West England18,211 ($28,102)
East Midlands17,349 ($26,772)
North West England17,263 ($26,639)
West Midlands16,788 ($25,906)
Yorkshire and the Humber, England16,569 ($25,568)
North East England15,621 ($24,106)

Only Greater London and South East England contribute more than Scotland.

Greater London34,200 ($52,776)
South East England20,923 ($32,287)

The OP's report is quite interestingly comparing their "neighbours".

Does that mean they are comparing Scotland with North East England.

I think you can see the contribution of Scotland outweighs that of it's "neighbours"

Maybe explains why Cameron and Co are so keen to hold on to Scotland.

It just goes to show that if Scotland get independence then either the SE will have to share a bit more or the rest of the UK will be shafted further.

I think we all know how that one is going to turn out!

moneyinmypocket

Graham you do seem to post a lot of gloom and doom

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

No, that appears to be your issue on this thread, ignoring the figures given in the OP and jumping to some other figures.

Graham, because I have not argued against the £1600, it doesn;t mean I have ignored it. I simply havent debated against it.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Scotland is a country. England is a country. To compare one against the other, you have to do just that. Not compare a country against a region. That's pretty obvious, no?

If you compare country to country and still come up with the same conclusion, you may have a point.

My point was simply showing how much Scotland contributes.

It'd be interesting to see how the figures stack up for how much England (and it's regions) receive, especially given as there are are many projects which go down as UK funding such as the olympics despite the benefits being regionalised

The UK spent £9.3 billion of public funds on the 2012 Olympics, out of which £1.7 billion was used for regeneration and infrastructure. An additional £6.5 billion was spent outside of the Olympics' budget on London's transport infrastructure, but these upgrades were planned anyway and were only accelerated by the 2012 Games;

IveSeenTheLight

sss555s wrote: »

It just goes to show that if Scotland get independence then either the SE will have to share a bit more or the rest of the UK will be shafted further.

I think we all know how that one is going to turn out!

Indeed.
It (at least partially) explains why Cameron and Co want to keep Scotland as part of the union.

MouseTrap

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

To give some perspective.
GVA by region: -

Scotland19 744 ($30,468)
East of England18,591 ($28,689)
South West England18,211 ($28,102)
East Midlands17,349 ($26,772)
North West England17,263 ($26,639)
West Midlands16,788 ($25,906)
Yorkshire and the Humber, England16,569 ($25,568)
North East England15,621 ($24,106)

Only Greater London and South East England contribute more than Scotland.

Greater London34,200 ($52,776)
South East England20,923 ($32,287)

GVA figures include subsidies, so your figures could actually be used to argue that Scotland is being subsidised more than other regions in the UK.