Cost of Food & Obesity Amongst Poorer People

wotsthat

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Also as I said earlier, the paleo diet bears no resemblance to the day to day diet of man in Palaeolithic times. It’s a fiction.

The paleo diet is similar in that it avoids processed foods and is less reliant on cultivated foods.

ruggedtoast

posh*spice wrote: »

I didn't know that. Have you got a reliable link?

Do you think this is a good book?



http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Great-Cholesterol-Malcolm-Kendrick/dp/1844546101/ref=pd_sim_b_3

(Edit - just bought it. At £1.71 for the kindle edition it's cheap. Does it look ok to you? It reviews well.)

The price is certainly right!

Its interesting learning about this stuff as we take a lot of things for granted that aren't based on robust science.

http://www.alternet.org/story/78554/the_bad_science_that_created_the_cholesterol_con

All of these supposedly well meaning things seem to have a mirror image, the mirror of cholesterol is big pharma making statins.

~Chameleon~

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The price is certainly right!

Its interesting learning about this stuff as we take a lot of things for granted that aren't based on robust science.

http://www.alternet.org/story/78554/the_bad_science_that_created_the_cholesterol_con

All of these supposedly well meaning things seem to have a mirror image, the mirror of cholesterol is big pharma making statins.

Interestingly I challenged a university lecturer today on this very subject only to be told that until there is robust scientific evidence (one set of studies contradicts the other) that dietary cholesterol has little to no effect on blood cholesterol levels they would continue to [STRIKE]preach[/STRIKE] teach that all animal saturated fat is BAD for us!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ILW

Mrs_Arcanum wrote: »

Warning, some generalisations will follow.

The wealthy as a group did/do (on the whole) mentally exhausting jobs and eat according to need as did their parents before them. Good quality meat etc but smaller portions. Stress is known for reducing appetite.

Poorer families often come from areas where they were employed in physically demanding jobs, farming, mining etc. Where high carbs were used to keep energy up cheaply which would be burnt off at work.

The problem has arisen from maintaining the diet of a physical labourer with no work to burn it off.

Could it be that a lot of these people are poor because they are fat?

ruggedtoast

ILW wrote: »

Could it be that a lot of these people are poor because they are fat?

Many Arabs are quite fat and they are wealthy.

ILW

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Many Arabs are quite fat and they are wealthy.

Most of the wealth just comes from being born into an oil rich family though.

ruggedtoast

ILW wrote: »

Most of the wealth just comes from being born into an oil rich family though.

Being fat is the one great democratic equaliser that we all share as a species in this unequal society.

Whether king or commoner we can all aspire at least to be plump.

ALIBOBSY

Another issue no one has mentioned yet is alcohol.
Not only is it full of empty cals (doesn't matter if its a "sweet" or "bitter" drink still full of cals).

EG average bottle of wine around 600 cals, pint of beer/larger/cider around 200 cals.

Also worringly latest studies suggest that alcohol affects the way our body process the food we are eating. It causes less nutrients to be absorbed and less calories to be burned, they suspect this is because the bodies systems are too busy concentrating on getting rid of the booze.

This means that a pint a lunch time and a couple in the evening not only bangs on the daily calorie count but effects how the calories they have eaten are used up (or not as the case may be).

BTW anyone who thinks telling someone who is overweight in particular the obsese to just "eat less" obviously have no idea about human physcology and real life. Its EXACTLY the same as saying you can cure an anorexic by saying "just eat more".

Ali x

posh*spice

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The price is certainly right!

Its interesting learning about this stuff as we take a lot of things for granted that aren't based on robust science.

http://www.alternet.org/story/78554/the_bad_science_that_created_the_cholesterol_con

All of these supposedly well meaning things seem to have a mirror image, the mirror of cholesterol is big pharma making statins.

It's a good book. I'm about 13% of the way in....

(Oh look who turned up again! My friend just posted this link on her FB wall.

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/05/we-die-instantly-without-cholesterol-so-why-do-we-try-to-stop-the-body-making-it/ )

WISHIWASRICH_2

Oh my! My kids have been completely indoctrinated with the good cholesterol - bad cholesterol stuff in biology and chemistry at GCSE and A Level. I always thought it was based on good research!!!