More than half of households get more in benefits than they pay in tax

FTBFun

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So whether that development will get off the ground near you will remain to be seen. Another much smaller (but large for the town) development has been axed in another town. The road is well known now as the road that goes to no where. Amusing thing is, it's just got a roundabout at the end with 2 other roads going to no where but a field. All waterworks and gas etc were sorted. It's all, again been axed, with 2 sets of flats left empty (and now graffitied), while at the same time the council moans about lack of housing.

I actually don't live near there anymore, and haven't for a while, but my immediate family are all still local.

What worries me about the development as that given its size, it must have sufficient amenities to cater for that many people, otherwise I can see it being a bit of a ghost town as you allude to above.

PaulF81

We should do what Morgan Stanley do. Instead of sacking them, Get rid of the 10% of least productive people in the country in a great big big brother style version of battle royale. The last 25% get to live, but lose any benefits entitlements.

Teach the lazy about survival of the fittest.

the_flying_pig

to be clear this isn't just about 'benefits' as in the welfare state.

it's comparing the amount of tax paid by people against any benefits that are paid to them directly plus their share of the entire defence, social security, education, health, debt interest, etc bills.

i'm almost surprised that almost half of people are 'in the black' TBH.

all of this is something to bear in mind when you see middle income people squealing about paying too much tax etc. there's a fair chance that they're not even paying their way. although by 'their way' taxpayers are at least partly paying for stuff that they don't use [like certain benefits] as well as stuff that they do [like the roads].

PasturesNew

I put £75 of fuel in my car yesterday ..... probably £70 of that was tax.

I don't get benefits... too much savings (dwindling daily of course as I pay my way).

danothy

PasturesNew wrote: »

I put £75 of fuel in my car yesterday ..... probably £70 of that was tax.

I don't get benefits... too much savings (dwindling daily of course as I pay my way).

I would have thought that would be closer to £45 in tax, based on the current VAT and fuel duty rates and the current average fuel price.

hildosaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i bet this doesn't include the public sector households which are ALL supported by the private sector tax payer. probably more like 25% of the population supporting everything - and the rest is borrowed.

People who work in the public sector don't pay any tax now? This is an outrage! Why did nobody tell me!?

FTBFun

hildosaver wrote: »

People who work in the public sector don't pay any tax now? This is an outrage! Why did nobody tell me!?

Tax paid by the private sector funds the public sector. This is obvious surely?

Graham_Devon

FTBFun wrote: »

Tax paid by the private sector funds the public sector. This is obvious surely?

And the public sector paves the way for many private sector firms to make money.

This is obvious surely?

PaulF81

Not really graham, no. Look at Singapore. Very small public sector, booming private sector.

Percy1983

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i bet this doesn't include the public sector households which are ALL supported by the private sector tax payer. probably more like 25% of the population supporting everything - and the rest is borrowed.

I am going to call you on this, both my partner and I work in the public sector, and as it is my business mostly does work for the public sector.

Any if both us and (and all like us stopped doing our jobs), you would have nobody educated enough to work in the private sector and many would have trouble getting to there private sector jobs as there would be no public transport.

Yes I agree there is still much waste in the public sector, but its not all a waste!