Refusing to pay unclaimed holiday?

JWIOW

denla wrote: »

What evidence do you have? It's the words of someone who failed to hand in notice over management. No one will believe anything you say if you can't prove it.

Most of the staff at that franchise would back up everything I've said here. Morale is ridiculously low and management is appalling, the same things have not only happened to myself therefore any current or previous employee would happily say the same thing.

McKneff wrote: »

I dont have a great deal of sympathy with anyone who walks out of a job.

Who suffers - your workmates because they have to do extra work to cover for the job yuve just walked out of.

You should have handed your notice in, worked it and then left.

I didn't ask for your sympathy; nor did I ask for your opinion on what's right or what's wrong.
Until you've been put in the same situation that I was in (there was other issues behind my leaving as well as what I've listed here) then I don't think you're really in a position to judge.

What's done is done, nothing can change it therefore I'm accepting that not working my notice was wrong, yet I am now seeking advice on here irrespective of what I should or shouldn't have done.

Unless you have some sort of time travelling device, I'd appreciate if you kept your opinions to yourself.

denla

JWIOW wrote: »

Most of the staff at that franchise would back up everything I've said here. Morale is ridiculously low and management is appalling, the same things have not only happened to myself therefore any current or previous employee would happily say the same thing.

Is that an assumption or have your colleagues written a statement to back you up? It's one thing casually saying they agree with you, another to officially back you up in a complaint, risking their own jobs in the process.

paddedjohn

OP, you mention in your post that you weren't fully trained in some aspects of the job, how long we're you working there and how many holidays are you expecting?

Uncertain

denla wrote: »

Is that an assumption or have your colleagues written a statement to back you up? It's one thing casually saying they agree with you, another to officially back you up in a complaint, risking their own jobs in the process.

Sadly I would agree but in the unlikely event they did back you up what do you hope to achieve?

If there were specific breaches of health and safety, food hygiene, illegal employment or whatever then by all means report them to the proper authorities.

Presumably you are hoping that McD's will terminate the franchise holders contract? Even if they did, and they are going to need a LOT of hard evidence, where does it get YOU?

getmore4less

Persue a claim for payments due.

Any counter claim will need evidence of losses.
Check who did the cover for your shifts and if they were paid anything more than normal and were they normaly paid more than you if not there will be no loss.

What were you contracted hours that would probably limit a claim even if you normaly did more as overtime.

Notmyrealname

JWIOW wrote: »

Most of the staff at that franchise would back up everything I've said here.

I can guarantee they won't say anything officially or put their name to anything written down because they don't want to lose their jobs.

I didn't ask for your sympathy; nor did I ask for your opinion on what's right or what's wrong.
Until you've been put in the same situation that I was in (there was other issues behind my leaving as well as what I've listed here) then I don't think you're really in a position to judge.

I have been as have many. As a truck driver I've done 4am to 4pm two days then 4pm to 4am another 2 days in a week. I've had a week where I've started at 3am finishing 4-6pm and then the following week on nights starting at 5-6pm and finishing 5-9am. I've worked up to 84hrs a week leaving home before the sun has got up on Monday morning and not getting back until Saturday night.

Uncertain

Notmyrealname wrote: »

I have been as have many. As a truck driver I've done 4am to 4pm two days then 4pm to 4am another 2 days in a week. I've had a week where I've started at 3am finishing 4-6pm and then the following week on nights starting at 5-6pm and finishing 5-9am. I've worked up to 84hrs a week leaving home before the sun has got up on Monday morning and not getting back until Saturday night.

So?

At the end of the day that was your choice. You were not a conscript in the army so you could have looked for a less demanding job with fewer and more social hours if you chose.

Equally, most junior hospital doctors will tell of similar hours or worse.

bevanuk

The point is you are owed your holiday pay - but that's it. Nobody (here or at McDonalds) are going to be interested in anything else you have said.

You agreed to work those shifts when you took on the role just because you were tired and didn't like your job isn't a reason leave without notice.

I'd call it even and move on - and don't ask for a reference.

BillTrac

Uncertain wrote: »

So?

At the end of the day that was your choice. You were not a conscript in the army so you could have looked for a less demanding job with fewer and more social hours if you chose.

Equally, most junior hospital doctors will tell of similar hours or worse.

I think you will find that notmyrealname was responding to the OPs statement that unless you had experience of the so-called situation you weren't able to judge. The Op seems to think that he/she is the only one ever to work long unsociable hours. NMRN has experience, as have i and many millions of others.

This from a 19 year old who couldn't even hack it at McDonalds.

And gives the usual ' if you can't agree with me don't post' malarkey.

Judith_W

Could they not look at it as he 'took' the holiday days that were outstanding as part of the notice period thereby only actually leaving once all the holiday had been used up?