Brighton 2012. The Strike Olympics.

mystic_trev

andyroberts1967 wrote: »

I can only hope that in 2015, all the public sector workers and their friends vote in either Labour or a Labour/Lib-Dem coalition which will be more friendly to workers and less friendly to greedy bankers.

What? Like the last lot you mean? :rotfl:

robmatic

andyroberts1967 wrote: »

I'm one of the civil servants who will be happy to take part in any forthcoming action, particularly if it is focused on pay and pensions. I understand that a lot of private sector pensions have been decimated, but that's no reason to do the same with public sector ones. The longer the pay freeze goes on, the angrier that public sector workers will become, so I can only see the cry for action getting louder and louder. I can only hope that in 2015, all the public sector workers and their friends vote in either Labour or a Labour/Lib-Dem coalition which will be more friendly to workers and less friendly to greedy bankers.

I only hope that we get a government that is friendly to all workers, not just those in the public sector.

And I certainly wouldn't trust Labour with the banking sector again, given their track record in the last administration. Poor regulation and they taxed the wealthy less than the Tories are currently doing!

andyroberts1967

Rotor wrote: »

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"I'm one of the civil servants who will be happy to take part in any forthcoming action, particularly if it is focused on pay and pensions. I understand that a lot of private sector pensions have been decimated, but that's no reason to do the same with public sector ones."

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Yes it is! It is the private sector that is paying for your greatly increasing pensions whilst paying more to fund ours

erm INCORRECT as it happens - firstly it's not just the private sector paying for our pensions - it is ALL taxpayers. Contrary to what some ignorant people think, ALL public sector workers are taxpayers, not just private sector ones.

Also, the newly imposed changes on our pensions means that we will be getting less for working longer, not "greatly increasing" as you put it. So unless you have your facts correct, I would urge you to put up or shut up!

FTBFun

andyroberts1967 wrote: »

erm INCORRECT as it happens - firstly it's not just the private sector paying for our pensions - it is ALL taxpayers. Contrary to what some ignorant people think, ALL public sector workers are taxpayers, not just private sector ones.

But the public sector is funded by the tax paid from private sector employment. Reduced private sector tax take = less to fund the public sector.

Also, the newly imposed changes on our pensions means that we will be getting less for working longer, not "greatly increasing" as you put it. So unless you have your facts correct, I would urge you to put up or shut up!

People are living longer - hence why the retirement age has to increase slightly. Why is this always disregarded?

ShAnE

andyroberts1967 wrote: »

erm INCORRECT as it happens - firstly it's not just the private sector paying for our pensions - it is ALL taxpayers. Contrary to what some ignorant people think, ALL public sector workers are taxpayers, not just private sector ones.

Also, the newly imposed changes on our pensions means that we will be getting less for working longer, not "greatly increasing" as you put it. So unless you have your facts correct, I would urge you to put up or shut up!

The issue here, is that public sector workers do not fund private pensions, so people have a hard time caring when they are expected to continue helping with public sector pensions while their own pension goes down the toilet.

"getting less for working longer" = falling in line with the suffering the private sector has had to endure.

You'll get very little sympathy whilst your still paying less than the majority of private sector workers, even if it is a massive increase for you.

ILW

andyroberts1967 wrote: »

erm INCORRECT as it happens - firstly it's not just the private sector paying for our pensions - it is ALL taxpayers. Contrary to what some ignorant people think, ALL public sector workers are taxpayers, not just private sector ones.

Also, the newly imposed changes on our pensions means that we will be getting less for working longer, not "greatly increasing" as you put it. So unless you have your facts correct, I would urge you to put up or shut up!

Public sector workers are not net taxpayers.

Rotor

andyroberts1967 wrote: »

erm INCORRECT as it happens - firstly it's not just the private sector paying for our pensions - it is ALL taxpayers. Contrary to what some ignorant people think, ALL public sector workers are taxpayers, not just private sector ones.

Also, the newly imposed changes on our pensions means that we will be getting less for working longer, not "greatly increasing" as you put it. So unless you have your facts correct, I would urge you to put up or shut up!

Alright, put this up ! People are living a lot longer in retirement. Suppose you won a competition and the prize was either £20k/yr for 10 years or£20k/yr for 20 years are you seriously saying you would say
- "pffff , not bothered ; they are both the same"?
You are living much longer in retirement so you are getting much more in pension payments. It really is obvious.

As for everyone being a taxpayer -yes they are, BUT, you take 100% of your money from the taxpayer but only make up approx 20% of the workforce so lets not pretend it is self sustaining

Thrugelmir

andyroberts1967 wrote: »

I'm one of the civil servants who will be happy to take part in any forthcoming action, particularly if it is focused on pay and pensions. I understand that a lot of private sector pensions have been decimated, but that's no reason to do the same with public sector ones. The longer the pay freeze goes on, the angrier that public sector workers will become, so I can only see the cry for action getting louder and louder. I can only hope that in 2015, all the public sector workers and their friends vote in either Labour or a Labour/Lib-Dem coalition which will be more friendly to workers and less friendly to greedy bankers.

The Labour party will have to distance itself from the Unions to be electable at the next General Election. At the moment the rhetoric sounds like a return to the 80's.

A._Badger

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The Labour party will have to distance itself from the Unions to be electable at the next General Election. At the moment the rhetoric sounds like a return to the 80's.

How can they? The Labour Party is a subsidiary of the Union 'movement'.

UK general elections are there for the losing. Amazingly, that is the one thing the current Conservative Party seems to be good at.

Caroline_a

Question - in what way does a strike benefit the country? I would say that it's a classic 'sod you, I'm all right jack' action. We've had what was a wonderful summer where the UK actually celebrated being British, and working towards the same goal. Now there are talks of strikes, so back to the 'me-society'.

If we don't want to end up like Greece and Spain, perhaps we can work together to ensure that doesn't happen.... the only people who benefit from strikes are the union bosses.