Stealing houses set to become illegal

Loughton_Monkey

olly300 wrote: »

As a kid I trespassed when I went to play on private estates away from traffic. So should other kids I know who still do it be a criminalised for playing on a private estate or private roads because it's safer to play there?

The point is laws in this country are written to be interpreted in many ways so if you make trespass a criminal offence you will be criminalising people who aren't doing any harm.

Most kids (even me) trespassed like that when we were young. Point is, we knew it was 'wrong', but didn't understand - like today's little b*****s that we were below the age of criminal responsibility.

As to your second point, I don't think it holds water. By your definition, I guess I can hack into your phone/computer, and install secret cameras in your bedroom and bathroom. All for my own sordid, perverted, 'fun'. Totally private to me. You don't know [and will never know] anything about it, and so cannot possibly 'harm' you. So that's OK is it?

ruggedtoast

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-law-shuts-door-on-squatters-8098848.html

Squatters will face up to six months in prison and so-called squatters' rights scrapped as it becomes a criminal offence in England and Wales tomorrow.

Ministers said the move would shut the door on squatters once and for all and help protect hard-working homeowners.

But campaigners warned that criminalising squatting in residential buildings would lead to an increase in some of the most vulnerable homeless people sleeping rough.

They should make parking on yellow lines a criminal offence next, or mooning a swan, or being a day late paying rent to your landlord and master. Criminalise some more innocent people.

Most squatters are in dire need of homes and are a symptom of an unjust and corrupt housing situation. A situation that rewards the haves and ever more penalises the have nots.

olly300

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Most kids (even me) trespassed like that when we were young. Point is, we knew it was 'wrong', but didn't understand - like today's little b*****s that we were below the age of criminal responsibility.

Actually not all would kids know it is wrong, especially if they can't read. Some parents have been and are completely useless.

On private estates/roads if one resident seems happy that you are there by either letting their kids play with you or offering you a glass of water, then it's quite easy to argue that the kid has now been invited to stay there and isn't trespassing.

There as a resident screaming at you on public road which where you have a legitimate right to be doesn't mean the kid has done wrong.

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

As to your second point, I don't think it holds water.

So you are saying that all laws in place are used for their intended purpose?

Public bodies are snooping on people using anti-terrorism legislation. How is a council checking that a parent lives in the catchment area of a school terrorism?

A criminal trespass law would be used by well-connected people to terrorise the people they didn't like.

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

By your definition, I guess I can hack into your phone/computer, and install secret cameras in your bedroom and bathroom. All for my own sordid, perverted, 'fun'. Totally private to me. You don't know [and will never know] anything about it, and so cannot possibly 'harm' you. So that's OK is it?

Good luck trying to get into my computer and you would be damn disappointed by my phone messages.

System

So... a spell in prison wouldn't be a bad thing for them anyway? Out of the rain and all.

ILW

Most squatters appear to be foreign.

FTBFun

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Most squatters are in dire need of homes and are a symptom of an unjust and corrupt housing situation. A situation that rewards the haves and ever more penalises the have nots.

Any evidence of this?

Fella

ruggedtoast wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-law-shuts-door-on-squatters-8098848.html


Most squatters are in dire need of homes and are a symptom of an unjust and corrupt housing situation.

Surely all squatters are in dire need of homes since presumably none of them have one? That's utterly irrelevant & doesn't make it OK to steal someone else's.

I'm in dire need of a Ferrari & a blow-job from Posh Spice but that doesn't make it OK for me to just take either.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

If you bought a property in the Australian outback or suchlike and decided it was your right to let it decay, that would be different. However, in a small, densely populated island where most people live in close proximity to each other, the owner's rights do have to be balanced against those of the neighbours. If through lack of use a property starts to cause problems for the neighbourhood (vermin, graffiti, broken windows, undesirables congregrating etc) then it should be treated in the same way as if somebody decided to set up a makeshift abbatoir in their back garden, or was operating a noisy brothel. Well behaved squatters do their neighbours a favour.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Fella wrote: »

I'm in dire need of a blow-job from Posh Spice but that doesn't make it OK for me to just take either.

Do you think that would wipe the pout from her face?

malkyh

Fella wrote: »

I'm in dire need of a blow-job from Posh Spice but that doesn't make it OK for me to just take either.

*shudder*. What an awful thought.