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The worst property bubble?

Headlines:
1 in 4 homes in negative equity forecast in Summer 2013
Borrowing up to 12x income

No, its not somewhere in Southern Europe but in Holland!

Full article here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/20/dutch-property-crisis-idUSL6E8JGBS920120820
If housing prices fall another 10 percent, the central bank projected last year, 30 percent of all mortgages would no longer be covered by the home value. That would lead to losses at the four Dutch commercial banks, where about one third of lending comes from mortgages and which are already reporting rising mortgage delinquency.

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  • MacMickster
    MacMickster Posts: 3,645 Forumite
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    The Dutch used excess value to move to larger homes or as consumer credit. The cash bought new kitchens and bathrooms, cars, luxury holidays and recreational boats. Interest on mortgages remains tax deductible. In half of all mortgages, repayment of the principal is deferred for up to 30 years.

    So it seems that reckless lending encouraged people to use HPI as a piggybank, and that many risky loans were made on an interest only basis. Who would have thought it eh?

    Don't worry. Someone will be along soon to advise the Dutch that all they need to do is restore those previous lending practices and encourage further HPI, then all will suddenly be well with the world and their economy.
    "When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
  • FTBFun
    FTBFun Posts: 4,273 Forumite
    Tax deductible mortgage interest.......hmmmm.
  • mystic_trev
    mystic_trev Posts: 5,434 Forumite
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    There is a reason why many of the Dutch have such large mortgages. In the Netherlands there is a Wealth Tax. There's no point in owning Property there when you can offset the Interest against Tax, which is what many people do. This isn't a new thing it's been happening for years.
  • michaels
    michaels Posts: 29,033 Forumite
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    My lil bro who is working in the Hague made a cryptic comment about the state of the Dutch banks at the weekend, all maks sense now.
    I think....
  • Wookster
    Wookster Posts: 3,795 Forumite
    michaels wrote: »
    My lil bro who is working in the Hague made a cryptic comment about the state of the Dutch banks at the weekend, all maks sense now.

    Dutch banks are bust from the Dutch property market.

    German & French banks are bust from Spanish & Portugese & Greek debt, not to mention the Central bank Target2 liabilities.

    They don't use tanks and bombs, just weapons of mass financial destruction now.
  • Pobby
    Pobby Posts: 5,438 Forumite
    Always a warming experience to see responsible, 12 x income lending on a property. Of course it must be affordable. :rotfl:
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