Can't take holidays due from work

tosyn

marybelle01 wrote: »

Yes the employer is doing something wrong here. They are saying that all holiday slots are booked for the rest of the year and anyone with leave entitlement left cant take it. That's wrong!

I agree with your analysis. However, this is quiet commonly found admin excersise for the run upto Christmas.... From my experience, employers want the maximum from their existing staff, and always try to avoid tempy staffing in Nov and December months. Well, that is the strategic aspect of this.

Employees take this up with emotions. And yes, some do and even go to the extend of quiting the company without gently resisting. And yes, they can afford to lose people becuase it is a call centre number game and they know they can recruit and replace someone quickly especially in Sept/Oct months rather than Nov/Dec.

What I would ask catzoo is, to apply for her entitlement and if they resist, I would ask her to get the same politely in writing from her manager/human resources dept. I bet they wouln't do it, and they will simply approve the leave catzoo has applied . If they do it, then there is evidence that they are doing something wrong.

tosyn

WestonDave wrote: »

Tosyn - if you do the maths as above their policy of max 2 off makes it impossible for 40 staff to have 20 days off. Even with 3 off its still impossible. (759 days available, 800 needed). They ideally need to employ 3 more staff and allow 5 to be off each day which would give the same level of staff actually working and allow a bit of flexibility and choice in when people take holiday.

I agree. The maths do not add up. However, I do know that callcentre administration works this way. Here the employer can afford to lose people except in the month of Nov and Dec. That is why they make this fuss...and yes, sometimes making fuss is part of admin/HR strategy !

tosyn

Raksha wrote: »

Beware, if you raise a grievance and haven't worked there for 2 years, they can (and probably will in my experience) ask you to leave...

Grievance is personal matter and is subject to individual's perception.
Here it is different - dening leave is unlawful act whether it is done to 1 person or 10 person. An employers who know the laws simply cannot afford to risk it even if they are employing a complete bunch of muppets.

catzooo

Thanks for the advice.
There is no union, no HR team either - all been outsourced.
Will try to discuss with other staff later today, difficult though as we all work different shifts, and are logged into a live phone and computer system when in work so unable to chat much with others.
I am just out of my 6 month probation period, but am still a little worried about loosing my job if I make too much fuss.
There are @600 staff, mainly sales, where they are very quick to dismiss if targets are not met. Luckily I am not in sales.
They run a permanent ad in the local paper and recruit @ 50 people per month to cover staff losses.
The few ppl I have asked who are longer term lost a few days at the end of last year for the same reasons, they seem to accept this.
I could understand being declined if I was asking for time off in Nov/Dec, but have been declined any days at all now, from now on. Seems wrong when it is only the middle of August.

getmore4less

tosyn wrote: »

becuase it is a call centre number game and they know they can recruit and replace someone quickly especially in Sept/Oct months rather than Nov/Dec. .

You don't resign now you do it so you leave 1 day before the end of the holiday year then they have to pay them or let you take them.

MissSarah1972

themull1 wrote: »

I always thought if an employer wouldnt let you take entitled leave that they had to pay you for the days you couldnt take, or let them be carried over to the next year.

There is no such thing as 'won't let you' - they have to let you and it's illegal to pay you for holiday unless you are leaving the firm. Same goes for carrying over.

paddedjohn

OP, you don't mention in your post but do you have a shut down over Christmas?



Don't forget, out of your 12 days there are still some bank hols to come, do you have to work bank hols?

LittleVoice

Does the call centre operate 5, 6 or 7 days a week?

LittleVoice

WestonDave wrote: »

Oh and to clarify before anyone goes off on the wrong track the 5.6 weeks includes bank holidays - the law talks about 28 days in total, not in addition to bank/public holidays!

The law "talks about" 5.6 weeks with is silent on public holidays as far as I recall.

zildjian

Have you asked whether they will pay for the holidays you cannot take? Whilst i know the above are saying it is illegal, i also know that people in my work that a similar thing happened and were happy just to be paid for the holidays they had racked up.

When i read some of the posts in this forum i do feel rather greatful of my job and that my boss is pretty flexible/negiotionable regarding holidays.